The Official Malkoff Junkie thread - Part 2

[TMedina]

(My bold above)

Speaking of tail-standing switches and going back to the HD XML, my right thumb is permanently injured so to speak, and does not work well with the Malkoff switch.

That's my only gripe with the Malkoff switch - after using it for an extended period, my thumb begins to ache.

 

[Tachead]

Yeah, only if money grew on trees. My parent's used to have a money tree but it never grew any money; damn thing:laughing:

I had a couple 4/7 quarks before I came back here about a month and a half - 2 months ago (I think) I ended up with a ZL and a fenix to start while I was in the Malkoff/elzetta threads. I still have the ZL which is a really good all around high output compact light, gave the fenix to my dad cause I couldn't deal with the white/hint of blue tint.
Now the majority of my lights are Malkoff, a bravo w/M361 219B (avs heads and Charlie on the way) I bought a bunch of Malkoffs to see what i liked and would want to keep. If I decide to sell some off, I can recoupe a good portion back to use towards other stuff. I should have it all figured out in the next month, I hope.

I will say that Malkoff has some impressive devices/drop-ins, etc. Simple, reliable, and tough. Illumn does not have the M61 219B (backordered) and not sure if/when they will be getting anymore. I think they are even currently out of the M361 219B that I currently have in my Bravo. I do hope they get them back cause i like the tint of the 219b more so than the M61/361 N. Another thing you may like since you like multiple level lights is the M361 in a MD2 with hi/lo; this gives you 3 settings when set to hi and 3 when set to low. So you get a moonlight, Med-low, low/ low-hi, med-hi, high (if that makes any sense)

Another nice little light with L-M-H is the MDC 16650 Neutral 500lm The tint is borderline my favorite even compared to Nichia; It's a toss up; they both have really great tints. I haven't done any runtime tests on this one and I use the Keeppower 16650 2500mah cells in it Highest capacity quality cell I could find.

If you are on the fence and do not want to shell out full price; you can always come across deals in the fs section of the forum(just an option) I was skeptical of only hi/lo but I'm really liking the Malkoffs.

My old money tree never produced any currency either:thinking:.

Thanks for the input and suggestions:thumbsup:.

 

[Modernflame]

#1 is on back order and may/may not be available again,
#3 only 6 left then may/may not be available again. (Limited to Primaries only, unless head is moved to a different body)

Also I do not know how these do on runtime, but nichia typically is less efficient and may not fit the easy on batteries, idk

The M361 219b is also on back order. I'm kinda burned out on drop ins, but I would definitely buy this. I don't have anything in the Nichia 219b category because I'm stuck on Malkoffs and until today I did not know these existed. One peculiar feature of my flashlight disorder is that I can start the day looking for one thing (i.e. a long running AA light) only to be totally distracted by some other shiny object. I should be smarter than the average ostrich, just not sure I really am.

 

[Modernflame]

But that's also the benefit from hanging around like minded addi...enthusiasts. lovecpf

I cried a little when I saw it.

 

[marco.weiss]

Thanks for the compliments of all the members of the forum. It's like a dream to set up a collection with malkoff lanterns.




Modernflame, I'm not really a fan of the MD3 host.


I usually use 18650 batteries and for this the md4 host is perfect. I'm waiting for an oveready extender. With the extender I can use 3x 18650 in the hound dog super or wildcat, or even in the hound dod xml or still in a dropin m91 (if one day I buy it). There will be many possibilities.


About wildcat v6 neutral, as the name says, the tint is neutral, 4000K.


The nichia dropins have a unique tint, not bluish or green. Also it is not yellowish like the dropins m61N or m61W.


The light produced is white, pure, totally different from the dropin sportac triple nichia.


The tint of the dropin sportac is very similar to wildcat v6.


Particularly I prefer neutral ...


This pure white is new to me.


Sorry for my English...


I'll make some Beamshots and share it later this month.

 

[INFRNL]

The M361 219b is also on back order. I'm kinda burned out on drop ins, but I would definitely buy this. I don't have anything in the Nichia 219b category because I'm stuck on Malkoffs and until today I did not know these existed. One peculiar feature of my flashlight disorder is that I can start the day looking for one thing (i.e. a long running AA light) only to be totally distracted by some other shiny object. I should be smarter than the average ostrich, just not sure I really am.

I've been the same way when it comes to malkoff. I say i want or don't want something and i get it or something else instead.

Since this is the case, you should be eye balling the e2 super scout even though it's not neutral

@marco, our eyes must be different or it's that thing when comparing lights the tints change. The nichia should be a creamy color or a tiny bit rosy. I guess if its a high power nichia it could tend to look pure white.

My 219c 4000k has a slightly yellow tint to it(different brand light)

My mdc 16650 500lm is the closest malkoff similar to a nichia 219b. All my neutral malkoffs have a different tint

 

[Ozythemandias]

#1 is on back order and may/may not be available again,
#3 only 6 left then may/may not be available again. (Limited to Primaries only, unless head is moved to a different body)

Also I do not know how these do on runtime, but nichia typically is less efficient and may not fit the easy on batteries, idk

Regarding the MDC CR123, what do you mean by moving the head to a different body? I'm looking to buy my first Malkoff and the two MDC 219b mentioned look great, other than the primaries only bit.

 

[badbs101]

That's my only gripe with the Malkoff switch - after using it for an extended period, my thumb begins to ache.

Mine too. I just got my Hound Dog Super today and my thumb started aching almost right away. I guess I'm not alone, thought maybe I had short thumbs. :thumbsup: I started a thread looking for solutions/sympathy. I don't like an overly mismatched look so we'll see what people come up with. Other than that, the light's great.

 

[marco.weiss]

@INFRNL I imagined that the tint of the nichia dropins would be more neutral.


A friend of mine, a big fan of surefire commented to me that he had two lanterns with led nichia. One of them came just as you defined it, rosy ... However the other model was neutral, light yellowish.


I read a lot about the nichia malkoff dropins and I also did not find a pattern.


Tonight I'm going to test the three nichia, m61, m61l and m361lmh.


It can really be my eyes. we'll see

 

[ishmael]

The output is typically lower than comparable white/cool tint LEDs to achieve the same run time category.

For example, the M61LL runs for 10 hours at 100 lumens.

By comparison, the Malkoff Devices M61LL 219B V2 will run for 10 hours at 65 lumens.

So yes, less efficient, but you see a drop in comparable lumen output while the run times remain consistent and easy on the batteries.

Not so with m61lll vs Nichia m61lll vs. Nichia dropped out of regulation approx 11 hours sooner when I ran them side by side with new batteries from the same batch and same initial reading.

 

[roger-roger]

Mine too. I just got my Hound Dog Super today and my thumb started aching almost right away. I guess I'm not alone, thought maybe I had short thumbs. :thumbsup: I started a thread looking for solutions/sympathy. I don't like an overly mismatched look so we'll see what people come up with. Other than that, the light's great.

The Z41 looks "blacker" than the Malkoff barrel, due to a higher level of gloss. A straightedge shows the Malkoff knurling sits level on the barrow, whereas the knurling on the Z41 sits decided higher (thicker). The Surefire cap itself has a bit more diameter to it--which if I'm holding with temporary on with hand all the way back on the barrel/tailcap, I'm going to say it improves grip.

 

[redvalkyrie]

I definitely like the neutral XP-G drop-ins over the Nichias. Yes, the Nichias are beautiful but you get pretty darn close in tint between the two and the XP-G is more efficient.

I do love my M61 219 LL and LLL though. I still have yet to see the batteries drop below 4v.

 

[INFRNL]

Regarding the MDC CR123, what do you mean by moving the head to a different body? I'm looking to buy my first Malkoff and the two MDC 219b mentioned look great, other than the primaries only bit.

What I meant was being the only one they have in stock is the MDC 123 (Nichia) but is limited to primary cells only (3v max). However (unless I'm smoking something good) I was thinking the MDC123 head would fit a AA body what you could use eneloops in or whatever your choice is.

@INFRNL I imagined that the tint of the nichia dropins would be more neutral.


A friend of mine, a big fan of surefire commented to me that he had two lanterns with led nichia. One of them came just as you defined it, rosy ... However the other model was neutral, light yellowish.


I read a lot about the nichia malkoff dropins and I also did not find a pattern.


Tonight I'm going to test the three nichia, m61, m61l and m361lmh.


It can really be my eyes. we'll see

I have a slight variety of the current nichia's and I think they all have a slightly different tint but for good reason. My latest 2 have nichia 219C 4000k and they match. I have a 219B 4700K, 219B 4000K, 2x 219c 4000K, and the Malkoff drop-in M361 219B 4000K. My 219B's are like a creamy color by themselves but slightly rosy when compared to neutral lights, the 219c's are higher power lights so it depends on the level I'm looking at but they have a slightly yellowish tint especially when compared to neutral or my other Nichia's.

There are so many variable when comparing lights and tints. I can sometimes see how you would say they look white. The neutral cree's I have is a whole nother animal when trying to compare tints. My warmest one is probably the WCv6 Neutral 4000K hicri. it looks warmer than 4000K to me

anyway, have fun comparing; it starts driving me nuts after a while. Every light makes another light look totally different.

 

[INFRNL]

Regarding the MDC CR123, what do you mean by moving the head to a different body? I'm looking to buy my first Malkoff and the two MDC 219b mentioned look great, other than the primaries only bit.

Ok, went to look at specs. The operating range of the M31 219B is .8v-3.3v(1.8v needed for full output) So this would be the same module used in the AA MDC that is oos and may/maynot become available again. So an option for someone that wants the nichia AA MDC could buy the MDC 123 w/nichia that is still in stock and also buy the MDC AA body and have both options.




on a side note: Here are my wonder twins for the day. I say this because they are not stock, both have hi/lo with M361 N(219B) for 6 levels on ea light.

Bravo has M361 219B, I rebored the oveready bored body to accept any size protected cell (stock only accepts AW protected cells that I am aware of) Also if you pay attention, I enlarged the output side on the bezel as large as possible (this dramatically increases the spill area without effecting any stock performance) To give you an example: shining at my garage wall at a throw distance of 18' the stock beam diameter is approx 18', enlarged at same throw distance of 18', the beam diameter is now 24' (that's a huge difference when going out into the real world!)

Likewise, I have an M361N in an MDX 22.3 head compared to the normal 16.5 head. I get similar results (I now get the same 26-27' beam diameter at a throw distance of 18'. My stock MDC 16650 500lm Neutral has a beam diameter of approx 26' at the same 18' throw distance.

Anyway, just thought I'd share my experience and accomplishment

EDIT: just rechecked the bravo beam and it's actually 26-27' wide(@18' throw distance to wall) rather than the 24' I originally said.

 

[Strintguy]

Hi all, does anyone have an idea about the mah draw in low using the high/low MD2 switch? I'm sure it depends on the drop-in and battery set up, but let's say I've got an M61L 219b, which draws 330mah at 6v (from illumn website) and an ncr18650ga battery. Anyone care to speculate? Thanks...

 

[Modernflame]

Mine too. I just got my Hound Dog Super today and my thumb started aching almost right away. I guess I'm not alone, thought maybe I had short thumbs. :thumbsup: I started a thread looking for solutions/sympathy. I don't like an overly mismatched look so we'll see what people come up with. Other than that, the light's great.

I've never experienced the thumb ache. I put a slip-on Surefire combat ring on my MD4 tail cap. This keeps my hand in the correct position to operate the switch at all times and also ensures I don't drop my light in the woods. It changes the overall form factor of the light a little, but the Super was never designed for EDC anyway. The sight of it would probably elicit a chuckle from a tac light/ firearms guy, but I don't care. Works for me.

 

[Modernflame]

Ok, went to look at specs. The operating range of the M31 219B is .8v-3.3v(1.8v needed for full output) So this would be the same module used in the AA MDC that is oos and may/maynot become available again. So an option for someone that wants the nichia AA MDC could buy the MDC 123 w/nichia that is still in stock and also buy the MDC AA body and have both options.




on a side note: Here are my wonder twins for the day. I say this because they are not stock, both have hi/lo with M361 N(219B) for 6 levels on ea light.

Bravo has M361 219B, I rebored the oveready bored body to accept any size protected cell (stock only accepts AW protected cells that I am aware of) Also if you pay attention, I enlarged the output side on the bezel as large as possible (this dramatically increases the spill area without effecting any stock performance) To give you an example: shining at my garage wall at a throw distance of 18' the stock beam diameter is approx 18', enlarged at same throw distance of 18', the beam diameter is now 24' (that's a huge difference when going out into the real world!)

Likewise, I have an M361N in an MDX 22.3 head compared to the normal 16.5 head. I get similar results (I now get the same 24' beam diameter at a throw distance of 18'. My stock MDC 16650 500lm Neutral has a beam diameter of approx 26' at the same 18' throw distance.

Anyway, just thought I'd share my experience and accomplishment

INFRNL may have just won the internet with that Elzetta. My cool-o-meter is pegged. I'm a bit confused about the voltage, though. According to spec, you can't exceed 6 volts, so that let's out using a pair of 18350's. The minimum input voltage is 3.4, which a single 18650 could manage for a while, of course. But wouldn't you run out of light while you still had a decent charge on the battery? You obviously did not bore the light out twice just to use primaries. What's your runtime on high mode?

 

[INFRNL]

INFRNL may have just won the internet with that Elzetta. My cool-o-meter is pegged. I'm a bit confused about the voltage, though. According to spec, you can't exceed 6 volts, so that let's out using a pair of 18350's. The minimum input voltage is 3.4, which a single 18650 could manage for a while, of course. But wouldn't you run out of light while you still had a decent charge on the battery? You obviously did not bore the light out twice just to use primaries. What's your runtime on high mode?

I'm really just messing around, trying different things. I'm also waiting on my AVS heads and Charlie. I was having a weird issue with my M61HOT so I sent the module to Gene and had the MDX 22.3 head sitting there along with the M361N. Although I may keep the bravo like this and get another bravo for the avs head.

The bravo is/was a brand new bored by oveready. I came to find out that it would not accept the Protected cells i have (Panasonic GA's & LG MJ11's) I was bored and thought of a way to enlarge the bore just enough to fit my protected cells. So I kind of rebored it.

I have not done any runtime tests on it, but now that you mention it; I will go get a fresh cell and do a test on hi and see how it does. Also my initial plan was just bravo with AVS and have the option to run 2x18350. I wanted the bored body for cell options. on a non-bored Bravo you are limited to primaries, 2x16340 or a 16650; so in theory runtimes would suck anyway. From other tests I ran yesterday, I believe I should be able to get pretty good runtimes from a 3500mah 18650 and typically a good hr longer than a 2500mah 16650 iirc. I'll get ready to do the test and report back. For my use, an hour is plenty good for me.
Didn't I just do a runtime test for tachead using MD2 and M61N on a protected GA with over 6 hrs runtime and stopped the test when it was down to approx 10-20lm. Can't recall exact numbers. I'll see if i have enough time to do the test; otherwise i will have to redo it tomorrow. I'll at least run it for the next couple hours.

 

[Woods Walker]

I put another 4:59 on the M31L running 1XAA. So that's like 10 hours now. I turned it off and now hunkered down in a cold snap as am in the woods. Actually along a large river. It was 70's a few days ago now will hit 5 tonight with -10 wind chill. Running my early Spring stove but thankfully to have my winter bag. Going to hang low till 12 pm then try to push off. fortunately there is a cell tower someplace as got phone service. Will work on the runtime tests another day. I don't know if that M31L will ever stop! LOL

 

[archimedes]

No one using Moddoolar C-Triad tailcaps ... ?