27LT-S vs. 27LT-s Mizer.

[nmiller]

I received my Mizer today and I am really impressed. With a turn of the head I was in complete shock. The output is amazing. It is set at 500ma and about 50ma. It is brighter than the PD-S on both high and low. It has perfect levels of light for a utility light. I wish I had a 3 watt to compare it to. The tint is also as white as it could be. My only problem is now that I've mixed the two up and it is very difficult to tell by eye which one is which. I'm shocked that the two are that close in output considering the different settings of 900ma vs 500ma. The 27LT mizer is the way to go. Now all I need is a PD-s mizer to match. Too bad I didn't pick one up. If you had any doubt about the Mizer 27LT get one. The drop in output is worth the extra run time.

 

[pcmike]

Very interesting. So whose going to be the first to own both?? Yaesumofo??! :touche:

 

[yaesumofo]

I am pretty happy with the 27LT-S and PD-S mizer Pair.

I have no doubt the the 27LT-S mizer is cool. BUt for me Mizer mode is coverd very well in the PD-S Mizer.
I love the two lights as a pair. The PD-S mizer and the 27LT-S which I considder to be as close to BLASTER mode as I need a light to be. As a pair they are greater than the sum of their parts, no doubt.
I doubt I will ever own a 27LT-S mizer.
Yaesumofo

Very interesting. So whose going to be the first to own both?? Yaesumofo??! :touche:

 

[nmiller]

I do have both lights, but my idea is to have a pair of lights for EDC/city carry, and one pair for the outdoors/camping trips. I want the full power Seoul for the city, and the Mizer's for my backpacking/vacations so I don't need to worry about any extra batteries. Besides, the 27LT Mizer does put out plenty of light for 99.9% of tasks I would need it for. Its great to have the run time. In the end though isn't it always best to have one of each just in case?

 

[AlecGold]

If you have a 27LT as a mizer, doesn't that doe the large reflector short? I mean that the 27LT has a larger reflector, tighter beam, more longer distance work. With this distance work, every lumen counts. Or at least every 5 lumens you can get more counts. right?!
With a PD-Smizer it makes sense to me, it is for short distances, in home, around the campsite, to read a book etc. but for a long range it just seems odd to me.

Or am I misinterpreting the use of a 27LT? Are there people EDC-ing 27LT's or the equivelants? probably as there are lots of people EDC-ing U2's or even larger lights (as I did in the past).

 

[Kiessling]

Alec ... 500mA in the 27L reflector are plenty bright ... the McLuxIII-S27 head is such a configuration and is no slouch at all. Looking at the gain in runtime the 27LT-S mizer version is a very valid alternative for people who need more than 90 minutes high output.
bernie

 

[nmiller]

I agree!

 

[McGizmo]

I suspect that a number of users of the 27LT with a Luxeon U bin find that it is sufficient in luminous output. A 27LT-S mizer gives you probably a bit more in flux but with near double the runtime. It's a question of what you want and what you need and how well the two can be satisfied by an existing solution. :shrug: Extended and cool play can be a good improvement or advancement, IMHO.

 

[AlecGold]

I see, So it is for a bit different use than I had in mind?! I thought it was like yeasu (if I'm not mistaken) who uses a small mizer light and a super-bright 27-something.
The first for close-up tasks, the bigger one for extended distances.

With a 27LT-mizer you would use it as your primairy light? So also for more close-up tasks?
I'm a big fan of the long rumtimes a mizer offers. My XR19-C isn't a mizer, but the 100+ minutes of runtime on high are nice and a led replacement would have to offer even longer runtimes before it would be done.

Since the Cree and Seouls, my desire, hunger if you will, for more lumens has settled a bit. ±80lm of light is excelent for my EDC-tasks.
I've been reading other parts on CPF as well, but nowhere else the people seem to have settled at 80-100 lumens as plenty for EDCing, making runtime now the more important thing. Why is it that this happens overhere then?
With HDS's, but also with Surefire's people seem to be craving for an extra 10-40 lumens.. even when (IMHO) it's not usefull to have more lumens, but will still keep the light only 60 minutes in regulation?

 

[easilyled]

It really depends on the individual's requirements both practically
and on a more subtle level, their wanting to be "wowed" or bowled
over by the quantity of photons emitted.

The latter will probably never be completely satisfied by the photon hungry,
because there will always be the next light that can produce a bit more.

However if you really depend on the light in a more "survival-like" type
of situation, which is probably not very common amongst most of us,
then the extra run-time would be far more important.

 

[AlecGold]

perhaps that is true, easilyled, but when I'm not outdoors survivalling (I do that sometimes and the XR19-C is a perfect light for that as well) I have a light on my belt. And despite the fact that I've wowed lots of people in the past with my 6P etc. I kinda did grow up until the fact that I prefer it not to show off my lights. I just use them, and value them for their usefullness. Or the lack thereof.

This not showing off could also be caused by the fact that interested people always ask what the light cost and even if they are cool with that, there is always somebody closeby to say the all to familliar words: WHAAAAT?? That much for a freaking light?!!
I just don't like that attention. When talking with other flashoholics, the discussion goes about seals, rubber types, window-glass types and their price/advantages, the way of heatsinking etc. etc. etc. I like that (pseudo?)techno talk. But the negative/unbelievable responses from the sheeple make my fun less.

But hey, I think 90.000 Euro's for a BMW is way to much! a second hand asian car often does just as well and is much, much cheaper

 

[easilyled]

I am like that with cars too! :laughing:

I prefer the Porsches of torches to the Tzars of cars.
(sorry, its the best I could do)

 

[McGizmo]

AlecGold,
I think it is user speciific and depends on anticipated as well as planed usage. For instance, a HVAC guy or plumber or electrician may decide to use a light like the 27LT on the job. They may have found that 70 lumens was sufficient for the tasks at hand. With an upgrade to a Cree XR-E or Seoul P4, they can continue to get the 70 lumens but enjoy twice the run time.

When the lights are actually used, you can have too much light in many circumstances, IMHO. Too much light can cause unwanted glare and shadows.

For general purpose and without known illumination tasks planned, one can make a strong argument in favor of picking a reasonable runtime like 1 hour or more and then going for max lumen output subject to such a run time. For repetative tasks, one can zero in on the required flux and opt for runtime over output.

 

[yaesumofo]

In the pocket there is a PD-S mizer.
the secondary edc is the 27LT-S (Blaster) I call it a blaster because it has an output of 5500 Lux @ 1 meter.
Between the two one doesn't need much more.
The PD acting as the light for relatively close work, and very close work on low.
The 27LT is a medium range thrower. (the definition of range here is subjective. I will call medium range 75-150 foot and short range anything up to 75 foot.)
These are rough estimates of distance and could well be off.

The point is that with 2 lights one can accomplish just about any work task at hand.

I definitely look forward to a time when we have a light with the beam of the 27LT and three modes, Mizer, normal, and Blaster. It wouldn't be bad if the PD was the form factor.
I know we are much closer to a 3 setting light with the new emitters. How exciting.
Yesumofo

I see, So it is for a bit different use than I had in mind?! I thought it was like yeasu (if I'm not mistaken) who uses a small mizer light and a super-bright 27-something.
The first for close-up tasks, the bigger one for extended distances.

With a 27LT-mizer you would use it as your primairy light? So also for more close-up tasks?
I'm a big fan of the long rumtimes a mizer offers. My XR19-C isn't a mizer, but the 100+ minutes of runtime on high are nice and a led replacement would have to offer even longer runtimes before it would be done.

Since the Cree and Seouls, my desire, hunger if you will, for more lumens has settled a bit. ±80lm of light is excelent for my EDC-tasks.
I've been reading other parts on CPF as well, but nowhere else the people seem to have settled at 80-100 lumens as plenty for EDCing, making runtime now the more important thing. Why is it that this happens overhere then?
With HDS's, but also with Surefire's people seem to be craving for an extra 10-40 lumens.. even when (IMHO) it's not usefull to have more lumens, but will still keep the light only 60 minutes in regulation?

 

[PoliceScannerMan]

What do you think james, 30mA/300mA/1A? :rock:

 

[Codeman]

What do you think james, 30mA/300mA/1A? :rock:

Sounds like 27LT-S heaven to me!

Well, 30mA/300mA/917mA would be heaven as well! :naughty:

 

[PoliceScannerMan]

Sounds like 27LT-S heaven to me!

Well, 30mA/300mA/917mA would be heaven as well! :naughty:

Oh, you wanna take it to heaven? OK, let me ponder.

I see a Giant PD light that houses a 27L reflector with a Seoul P4 in it, the piston holds a 18650 2200mAh Li-Ion battery. It basically looks like a 27LT, but a lil bit fatter b/c the piston. Oh, its Ti of course.

The end of the piston has a fat Trit vial in there.

3 levels would be fine, 30mA/300mA/ and a 1.2A scorcher mode. That would be sweeet.

 

[Peter Atwood]

I'm certainly in for one!