AE Xenide 25W HID

Phaserburn

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Ok - my camera is on the fritz right now, so I can't take beamshots right now... sorry. :thumbsdow

Got my 25W Xenide recently. I had the PL24 and traded up for the Xenide. These impressions are comparison based. I am just going to spew here, and get more granular later, perhaps.

Build: I like the Xenide build quality better in just about all aspects. It has more detail, feels better and looks better too. The battery compartment is a seperate module that screws into the rest of the light. It's got knurling on it for better grip, too, making having an extra one and changing it in the field a snap. One of the big draws for me was what AE did with size. It's shorter, thinner, and lighter than the PL24. It's around the same weight and length as a stock Magcharger (32oz, 13"), albeit a little thicker. To me, what's the point of 2 hours runtime/chg if you are uncomfortable toting a 4-8 lb HID light around?! Who cares how long a 7 lb light runs? Anyway, the Xenide comes with two removeable rubber endcaps for drop protection, same as the PL24. It also comes with a pushbutton switch in the "Mag" postition near the head. I like this feature alot better than the twist on, but feel the button is too easily pressed for my taste, a trifle. But, it allows very easy one handed operation. The Xenide comes with a carry strap, and has two rings for it to hook into situated on the top of the light at the ends. The entire light came in a good quality plastic carrycase, an nice accessory to be included in the price (the PL24 had it as an option).

Output: As expected, it seems similar in overall output to the PL24. Not sure exactly why, but it does give the impression of being brighter than the PL24. Changes in the reflector seem designed not to remove artifacts (as the reflector is still smooth mirror) at all. It's designed to increase useful throw! And it does. But what I like about this is that it creates a decent size brighter corona right around the hotspot to mitigate tunnel vision. I like this setup better than hotspot+spill. It allows medium range use better. I also got the diffuser lens, which fits externally beneath the rubber lens cap. This extra is great because it makes the Xenide an extremist: monster throw or monster flood. When diffused, there is a bright hot area, not spot, and 180 degrees of great floodlight. If you're walking in the woods, this would be super handy as you'll get your full field of vision, bright enough to see detail.

I'm going to assume (oh boy) that the runtime and discharge curve will be the same as the PL24; absolutely flat regulated output for the full two hours.

From what I've read, AE is using premium components for bulb, ballast and matched, high quality li-ion cells.

Finally, a MC size/weight light with the output to back it up. Versatile in beam pattern (I find that FAR more useful than a multitude of brightness levels), good quality, warranty and user replaceable parts. The whole point of this light for me is a quality HID that looks, acts and can be used as a regular 3 cell Mag could (at around 20+ times the output). Oh, and it's watersealed too, with the only weak point being the charging port in the tailcap (although it's rubber sealed). I wouldn't hesitate to use this light in any storm, but wouldn't leave it submerged for more than a moment.

Sorry for the lack of formatting here; I just wanted to get all this down quickly before a few more days went by...
 
SO...I guess you are saying you would recommend this over the regular AE 24 Watt light? Cause I am about ready to order 1 of them:broke:
 
Hi Phaserburn,
Thanks for the review! We sold quite a few of these and you're the first to post a review.

Some good news I just heard from Marc (AE Light) - The Xenide 20W and 25W are now officially rated IPX6 and IPX8 with a "water proof battery" down to 2 meters. The water proof batteries do not have a charger plug in the rear so you have to charge it with an optional charger stand.

For those of you not familiar with these INGRESS PROTECTION ratings, they are for water intrusion and internationally recognized.
IPX6 - Powerful jets from any direction (like pouring rain/extream weather)
IPX8 - Continuous immersion
 
He's not comparing it to your PL24. He is comparing it to the HEAVY big HIDs like the N30, Sam's HID, X990, etc.

Correct. The Xenide trimmed 8 oz off the PL24, which was already a lightweight HID.

The Xenide, btw, has a forward clickie. Not sure why; this may be a better application for a reverse clickie.
 
I hope this thread isn't too old to resurrect, but I'm wondering about the battery used in the AE Xenide 25W.

Is it totally proprietary where it can ONLY be replaced by a new one from AE, or would it be possible to build a pack of your own?

I ask only because I'm about to buy this particular light, and I'm sure AE will be around for a long time. But you never know what the future may bring and I'm wondering if it would be possible to replace the battery if originals aren't available at some point.

LithionIon batteries have a total life span of a little over 2 years so this is a product for which a person has to plan on replacing the battery sort of often.
This question came up for me recently where I found that I have another device (not flashlight) that uses a LithiumIon battery and it's gone dead (2 years, 3 months since new). It's a very special form factor and I can't get a replacement for the battery so the product is pretty much junk.
So you see why I think of such things. :scowl:
 
Zenster,

It's hard to describe, but there's a ring on the end of the battery which you can probably screw off (haha ok I know it's funny) with a special tool... that's the best hint I could give you. One can assume it's possible, seeing how many people have made seemingly impossible mods.

If you're looking for longer runtimes, AELight offers an optional 4800 mAh pack (compared to the 4000 mAh stock). If I install this on my 20W Xenide, I might (if my numbers are correct) get 150 min. (2 1/2 hours) of output on a single charge!!!:party: Now that's what I call a long-lasting, low-weight (just over 2 pounds), compact (just over a foot) high powered HID light!:rock: I just ordered this battery from the company, so I'll definitely post the results ASAP.

Dudemar
 
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Zenster,

It's hard to describe, but there's a ring on the end of the battery which you can probably screw off (haha ok I know it's funny) with a special tool... that's the best hint I could give you. One can assume it's possible, seeing how many people have made seemingly impossible mods.

If you're looking for longer runtimes, AELight offers an optional 4800 mAh pack (compared to the 4000 mAh stock). If I install this on my 20W Xenide, I might (if my numbers are correct) get 150 min. (2 1/2 hours) of output on a single charge!!!:party: Now that's what I call a long-lasting, low-weight (just over 2 pounds), compact (just over a foot) high powered HID light!:rock: I just ordered this battery from the company, so I'll definitely post the results ASAP.

Dudemar

I'm not positive what size battery the 25W comes with because it's going to be one of those "requested" Christmas gifts, so while it is in the house, I haven't actually seen it yet. But it's supposed to get 2 full hours of run-time as new which if totally fine by me.

But I ask the original question not so much as a concern about capacity, but from a "battery management" point of view.
As a rule, I really do NOT like "proprietary" batteries for anything, but the 25W fits my wants in every other way so I'm (reluctantly) willing to overlook that in this case.
My usual game plan for important battery operated devices (radios, Ham radio, LED lanterns, and of course, flashlights) is that I always run them on rechargeables, but I want them all to be able to take some type of primary battery for emergency use. I have half a drawer full of long-date primaries for everything I have that works on batteries.

So what I'm "hoping" about the 25W is that perhaps I could slip in some type of primary to use in a pinch. However, not having the light in my hands yet, I thought I would ask the question to see if anyone else had thought of the same thing.
 
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I just looked at the review of the 20W AE over on Fastcars site. It looks a LOT like my Wolf Eyes Shark and the 25W AE light. Same sort of unscrew the battery pack from the ballast, charger port in the tail cap, head mounted switch arrangement. Even down to the shoulder strap mounts. Is the AE made in USA?
 
Zenster,

I'm not positive what size battery the 25W comes with because it's going to be one of those "requested" Christmas gifts, so while it is in the house, I haven't actually seen it yet. But it's supposed to get 2 full hours of run-time as new which if totally fine by me...

...So what I'm "hoping" about the 25W is that perhaps I could slip in some type of primary to use in a pinch. However, not having the light in my hands yet, I thought I would ask the question to see if anyone else had thought of the same thing.

The Xenide 25W comes with a stock 4000mAh battery. On your question about primaries, the Xenide doesn't accept them. If you're into heavy modding then you can mill a custom primary batt. carrier, which would be awesome; but I am assuming it would be expensive...

Is the AE made in USA?

I emailed Marc from AELight and this is what he said:

"Hi ...,
Thank you for your email. We source components from a variety of vendors in various countries, depending on the light model. Final assembly is usually done in Grants Pass Oregon. All are warranted from Grants Pass.

Best Regards,
Marc Allsman
AE Light
Allsman Enterprises, LLC"

I know the ballast is made by Auerswald Systems (Germany) and the HID parts and accessories are made by Ever Power Lighting Company (Taiwan, ROC). Marc says they're assembled in Grant's Pass, so I would say AELights are assembled in the USA (with foreign parts). It's still a d**m great light, and I would easily go to war with it if I had to!:devil::party:

Dudemar
 
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I emailed Marc from AELight and this is what he said:

"Hi ...,
Thank you for your email. We source components from a variety of vendors in various countries, depending on the light model. Final assembly is usually done in Grants Pass Oregon. All are warranted from Grants Pass.

Best Regards,
Marc Allsman
AE Light
Allsman Enterprises, LLC"

I know the ballast is made by Auerswald Systems (Germany) and the HID parts and accessories are made by Ever Power Lighting Company (Taiwan, ROC). Marc says they're assembled in Grant's Pass, so I would say AELights are assembled in the USA (with foreign parts). It's still a d**m great light, and I would easily go to war with it if I had to!:devil::party:

Dudemar

Well, it doesn't matter to me. The resemblance is strong is why I was asking. Thanks!
 
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