Best 6p setup
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kelmo
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If I were you I would consider a KT1 turbohead if size is not an issue.
The KL3 is also a very nice addition.
The KL3 is also a very nice addition.
Size is somewhat of an issue.
Groundhog66
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I just put a Malkoff Devices Cree drop-in in my G2Z, it is rated for up to 9v. I am using 2xrcr123, it is putting out approx 180 lumens for somewhere in the 2-3 hour range. This will fit into a 6P.
Tim
Tim
Outdoors Fanatic
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This is the incandescent section so why is everybody suggesting LEDs??
Groundhog66
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I was just responding with how I modded my incandescent light, it's all about options. Perhaps you can give us a better suggestion???????
sysadmn
Enlightened
Guess it depends on whether you want output or runtime :laughing:
This thread is the final word on the subject:
http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/showthread.php?t=161536
mdocod
Flashaholic
in all great honesty, in this form factor, LEDs are matching and beating incans in many ways. Within a few years, there won't be any good reason left to run an incan on this size light, with the exception of preference towards color spectrum, which will come at a great cost of efficiency.
I run a pair of AWs RCR123s driving a pathfinder P90 lamp (similar to a WE 9V in power consumption, but maybe more throwy) in a maxfire, and I also run a HO-4 on an 18650 in a bored out maxfire, these get EDCed on a regular basis, but watching the new tech emerge, It won't be long before I retire these in favor of a 1x18650 LED job. Like a lumapower or huntlight or something. As it stand now, I think if you push the limits of li-ion, and go with a lamp like a P90/SR-9/HO-9/WE-9V-D26 etc on some RCR123s, we are still beating most LEDs in this size factor for useful output. But getting 20-30 minutes runtime to do so, as opposed to over an hour on a 18650 powered LED job, so it's a tough call...
With this in mind, when someone asks what upgrade options are available to a 2xCR123 size tactical light, an LED-drop-in should definitely be on the table as an option. Options like the Malkoff that deliver the highest possible LED output available from a single emitter are definitely competing in the ballpark of output with the most potent incan options in the same form.
I run a pair of AWs RCR123s driving a pathfinder P90 lamp (similar to a WE 9V in power consumption, but maybe more throwy) in a maxfire, and I also run a HO-4 on an 18650 in a bored out maxfire, these get EDCed on a regular basis, but watching the new tech emerge, It won't be long before I retire these in favor of a 1x18650 LED job. Like a lumapower or huntlight or something. As it stand now, I think if you push the limits of li-ion, and go with a lamp like a P90/SR-9/HO-9/WE-9V-D26 etc on some RCR123s, we are still beating most LEDs in this size factor for useful output. But getting 20-30 minutes runtime to do so, as opposed to over an hour on a 18650 powered LED job, so it's a tough call...
With this in mind, when someone asks what upgrade options are available to a 2xCR123 size tactical light, an LED-drop-in should definitely be on the table as an option. Options like the Malkoff that deliver the highest possible LED output available from a single emitter are definitely competing in the ballpark of output with the most potent incan options in the same form.
Groundhog66
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KentuckyMike
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I would tend to agree with you. Not to
, but it really comes down to how the OP plans to use it, too. The Malkoff, for instance, will compete with the brightest incan lamp assemblies out there for this type of light, BUT it also comes with a warning that you shouldn't use it for more than 15 minutes at a time. So while it will last 2-3 hours, you'll have to let it cool down every 15 minutes. Of course, with a high-power incan you'll probably be changing/charging batteries every 15-20 minutes anyway. At least with the Malkoff LED, you can turn it back on later. The P60L from Surefire will give you 2-3 hours of lower (thermally regulated) output, but with no need to rest it between use, this might fit your needs better.
If you need to use it for longer intervals at a time and want to stay incan, the 4v bulb with your 17670 might be the best for you. 40-50 minute runtimes with stock-levels (or better) of output (all guilt-free) isn't bad at all!
Of course, you know the CPF answer....buy more 6P's so you can have one of each! :naughty:
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That warning is for the polymer bodied lights (G2, G2Z), and won't be an issue with the 6P.
Current glove box set-up:
- 6PD
- Malkoff Cree drop-in
- 1xCR123A extender
- Lumens Factory EO-9 and ES-9
- Half dozen spare CR123A's
kelmo
Flashlight Enthusiast
You could always get an A19 cell extender and run P90/91 lamps. Essentialy a 9P.
Where would I find one?
kelmo
Flashlight Enthusiast
I got mine from Lighthound. John has an aftermarket version.
http://www.lighthound.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=1291
You could also contact Surefire and ask them.
Hope this helps
http://www.lighthound.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=1291
You could also contact Surefire and ask them.
Hope this helps
mdocod
Flashaholic
might be worth following this thread to see how things pan out:
http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/showthread.php?t=173405
wondering about this EO-4, should be darned bright, nearly as bright as a P90, but some folks aren't having that much luck with it.
If you decide to add a A19, run a pair of AWs 17500s, if you can afford it, pick up a leefbody so you can run 18mm cells instead. I recommend the HO-9 if you go that route.
http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/showthread.php?t=173405
wondering about this EO-4, should be darned bright, nearly as bright as a P90, but some folks aren't having that much luck with it.
If you decide to add a A19, run a pair of AWs 17500s, if you can afford it, pick up a leefbody so you can run 18mm cells instead. I recommend the HO-9 if you go that route.
So, twin 17500's should run the HO9 without a hitch? What would the runtime be?
10milg29,
Just like you, at some point I also looked for the best rechargeable setup for a 6P. I progressed from 6P+2xRCR123+P90 to 6P+1 extender+2x17500+HO9, to 6P+2 extenders+2x17670+EO9... not to mention leefdapters, turboheads, LED drop-ins, tower modules, etc... Then I sold everything and settled on the following legolight:
Leefbody 2x18500 C-C, Z44 bezel, Z58 tailcap, LF EO-9 bulb. Of course, this is not really a 6P anymore... This is essentially a HA 9P with a clickie that takes 18mm cells. To me, this is the best compromise between power, runtime, convenience, and flexibility.
A pair of AW 18500 cells powers the EO-9 for 35-40 minutes. In a bind, you can always use 3 CR123A cells without the need to change the bulb. According to my estimates, the EO9 puts out ~230 torch lumens on fresh AW cells. On the lightmeter, it also scores over 9000 lux at 1m, this is as good as the M6 with LOLA, and especially impressive considering the fact that it's coming from an easily pocketable 3-cell light without the turbohead!
Trust me. Skip the intermediate steps and go this route. If you'd rather have some extra runtime rather than power, get the HO9 instead of the EO9... You can always use misc. LED drop-ins if you need efficiency... but the 2x18500 Leef body is the way to go!
Just like you, at some point I also looked for the best rechargeable setup for a 6P. I progressed from 6P+2xRCR123+P90 to 6P+1 extender+2x17500+HO9, to 6P+2 extenders+2x17670+EO9... not to mention leefdapters, turboheads, LED drop-ins, tower modules, etc... Then I sold everything and settled on the following legolight:
Leefbody 2x18500 C-C, Z44 bezel, Z58 tailcap, LF EO-9 bulb. Of course, this is not really a 6P anymore... This is essentially a HA 9P with a clickie that takes 18mm cells. To me, this is the best compromise between power, runtime, convenience, and flexibility.
A pair of AW 18500 cells powers the EO-9 for 35-40 minutes. In a bind, you can always use 3 CR123A cells without the need to change the bulb. According to my estimates, the EO9 puts out ~230 torch lumens on fresh AW cells. On the lightmeter, it also scores over 9000 lux at 1m, this is as good as the M6 with LOLA, and especially impressive considering the fact that it's coming from an easily pocketable 3-cell light without the turbohead!
Trust me. Skip the intermediate steps and go this route. If you'd rather have some extra runtime rather than power, get the HO9 instead of the EO9... You can always use misc. LED drop-ins if you need efficiency... but the 2x18500 Leef body is the way to go!
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How was the 2x17500's and the HO-9? I'm not quite ready to give up the 6P yet, I just bought it. The old lady couldn't believe I spent $70 on a flashlight. I'm sure I'll end up exactly where you did in the future.
Not bad at all. Nice, white beam with intense hotspot. Whiter and throwier than the P90/G90, for example. Pretty flat discharge graph. ~190 to ~110 torch lumens in 40 minutes on AW 17500 cells, protection kicks in in 43 minutes. Lux not measured, but it did throw pretty well... Overall, the best bulb for the setup. EO-9 on 17500s would also work, but it would probably be pushing the cells too far.
That being said...
MC123 extender, $22.99 at the Hound:
http://www.lighthound.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=1291
Leef 2x18500 body, black HA (will match your 6PD bezel and tailcap): $49.99, and once sold out, who knows when Leef makes another run of those - if ever:
http://www.lighthound.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=2617
You decide.
That being said...
MC123 extender, $22.99 at the Hound:
http://www.lighthound.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=1291
Leef 2x18500 body, black HA (will match your 6PD bezel and tailcap): $49.99, and once sold out, who knows when Leef makes another run of those - if ever:
http://www.lighthound.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=2617
You decide.
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