Do you plan on getting the H1N1 (swine) flu vaccination shot?

[TooManyGizmos]

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My answer ........ is ...... No .

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[LukeA]

Yup. No use getting sick for no resaon.

 

[Sgt. LED]

I work in a hospital with constant contact with my patients so I got the live virus sprayed up my nose. I did not want to get the shot but I did want some exposure to it so my body would be better prepared WHEN it encounters it.

No side effects, didn't feel bad, nothing. For all I know it was salt water!

I've had the flu a couple of times in my life so I don't see the need to get a shot for that. My body knows it and can defend against it without too much effort. Not the same story with the swine flu.

 

[jugg2]

Never have taken a flu shot and I never will. Heck, I havent been to the doctor in 10 years and im only 19 haha.

 

[Databyter]

That is what I thought a few months ago also, however recent reports have had me change my opinion. So far since April, 86 children have died from H1N1. In a normal year, between 50-100 die from the regular flu and we are just now entering the normal flu season. And if the vaccine can prevent this, I am all for it.

I know that vaccines are not perfect and have gotten a bad reputation, but they really are one of the modern miracles of medicine. Vaccines were used to globally eradicate smallpox and there is a current campaign to eradicate Polio. How can that be a bad thing?

To address your post, the numbers of flue related deaths this year is a bit higher, mostly due to the fact that cases that normally wouldn't be reported as such are being reported with flue as a factor due to all the hype (my opinion).

It has not been proven that this vaccine will be effective. Whether this flue vaccine or the regular seasonal flu vaccine the risks are cummulative and far outweigh the benefits. Even regualr flu vaccines are not all that effective.

The diseases you mentioned are far more stable than the average flu strain, that is why you don't have to be vaccinated for them more than once or twice as you are a young child. So, yes vaccines are great, I'm not against them when and where appropriate. Seasonal flu vaccines do more harm than good imo, and this one especially so since it is a blatant manipulation.

For all of you who think that the H1N1 is "just another flu", you're wrong. The mortality rate of the H1N1 is roughly the same as the regular flu (about 1%), but it kills people who don't have the traditional flu risk factors. The typical flu is most likely to kill the very young and the very old. The H1N1 flu kills people who are otherwise considered completely healthy (and seems to be especially dangerous to pregnant women).

Either way you go it is a roll of the dice. This new strain DOES respond well to tamiflu type treatments and the vaccine is questionable as to it's effectiveness. it MAY help SOME people if it hits the right strain,.. maybe. But as you alluded to this one is different in its methods and targets so it would be foolish to assume that the vaccine is a cure all preventative.

It is just another flu, it's just one we havent seen in about 40 years mutated a bit, and after EVERYBODY catches it over the next few years it definitly will be.

EDIT: I have found as many reports of paralasis, some permanent and life threatening, and neurological damage from the vaccine as I have heard of people dying with no other health issues. Funny thing though, whenever an article is reported about the more uncommon type of paralysis that is irreversable (the common one Guillain-Barre Syndrome (GBS) is reversable although it does indicate DAMAGE to the brain) the article somehow disappears. I wonder why?

The CDC says the vaccine may injure or kill as many as 30,000 Americans but it only requires efficacy of 3 in 10. This is very reminicent of the 1976 vaccine push where the vaccine killed or injured thousands even as the government was rolling up the sleeves and praising its safety.

 

[Patriot]

That's going to be a big no vote for me. From the different studies I've looked at there only seems to be about a 6-9% benefit from taking these various flu vaccines. The H1N1 Vaccine contains MF59 Squalene which is being linked to all kinds of nasty diseases including Gulf War Syndrome. There has been a huge backlash from certain veterans groups who were forced to have taken the Anthrax vaccines which they claim made them sick. One vet claims that he'd have gladly taken an AK-47 bullet than to have been subjected to the vaccine than was injected into him. The H1N1 Pandremix vaccine contains 1 million times more MF59 Squalene, 2.136.000 microgrammes per billion microgrammes of water compared to between 11-83 parts per billion in the anthrax vacines widely blamed for GWS.

Now, I'm not a molecular biologist but I know there's enough controversy about this vaccine that it doesn't come close to outweighing the benefits. Most of the .gov and .mil sites are claiming that Squalene is harmless while several private groups are claiming that it's very dangerous.

The truth probably resides in the middle somewhere but my question to rational people is why subject yourselves to it before exhausting all doubt, when the gain is so minute? Frankly, I'd rather have a severe flu than to aquire Lugarics Disease down the road a piece, as some doctors are suggesting could happen.

 

[LightWalker]

I work in a hospital with constant contact with my patients so I got the live virus sprayed up my nose. I did not want to get the shot but I did want some exposure to it so my body would be better prepared WHEN it encounters it.

No side effects, didn't feel bad, nothing. For all I know it was salt water!

I've had the flu a couple of times in my life so I don't see the need to get a shot for that. My body knows it and can defend against it without too much effort. Not the same story with the swine flu.

"Several metro area hospitals said they won't be taking the FluMist because they don't want to endanger patients.


When asked if that meant that FluMist was dangerous, Lois VanFleet, infection prevention specialist at Exempla Good Samaritan Medical Center in Lafayette said, "No, it's a very safe vaccine in healthy people."


But, she said it's made with a live virus, and that doctors and nurses who inhaled the live virus could shed some of it on patients whose immune systems are compromised."

http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/21212055/detail.html

 

[LightWalker]

I would rather have Swine Flu for many days than to end up like this woman for life.
http://www.prisonplanet.com/doctors...ed-woman-as-carrey-mccarthy-lend-support.html

 

[ANDREAS FERRARI]

I received a flu shot earlier today at a flu clinic set up by the Government( ).

Next month when the H1N1 shot is available I'll get that also.

I weighed the risk against the benefits and came to my own decision.

 

[Sgt. LED]

All of my department got the nasal version of the vaccine.
None of our patients got sick from any shedding. I know for sure because we've still got the same patients. Many of my psyc patients have admission lengths of several months.

Yes it can happen but it didn't so the % isn't too awfully high. Some hospitals, like people, are paranoid and blow fears out of porportion to the point where they won't consider the actual chance of something going wrong.

Oh and Patriot look up the concentration of MF59 Squalene in the nasal mist vaccine. :twothumbs I didn't want the shot version either!

"Several metro area hospitals said they won't be taking the FluMist because they don't want to endanger patients.


When asked if that meant that FluMist was dangerous, Lois VanFleet, infection prevention specialist at Exempla Good Samaritan Medical Center in Lafayette said, "No, it's a very safe vaccine in healthy people."


But, she said it's made with a live virus, and that doctors and nurses who inhaled the live virus could shed some of it on patients whose immune systems are compromised."

http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/21212055/detail.html

 

[baterija]

I rarely get the seasonal flu vaccine and haven't for years. Dead or not my immune system reacts to it like it's a live virus and I suffer symptoms that feel like a mild to moderate case of the flu. I'm not in an at risk group for serious issues. I choose to roll the dice versus take the sure misery.

This year it sounds like I will be getting the seasonal flu shot, and possibly the H1N1 shot as well. Why? It's not media hype. It's not doomsday worst case scenarios. It's just a case of lawful orders. I've certainly been through worse in my military career and ordered worse. If optional my thinking on the seasonal flu shots isn't any different. Given the increased risks of serious issues if I get H1N1 versus a typical flu it does change my thinking. I'm not sure yet if it's enough to change my decision.

 

[orbital]

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People must first understand the rate of mutation in viruses,..its extremely quick.
Current flu shots are from last years flu virus,..which has nothing to do with this years strain.

Regarding H1N1, you would have to pin me down to spray any form into my nose.(seriously doubt you could)

I'll never get a flu shot.

 

[shhh]

Me and my whole family arnt taking that junk.
I took the reg flu shot for years. felt like crap for a few days went on.
But i am not gonna take some mixture of crapola thats just thrown together.

We didnt take nothing for a bird flu and were not gonna take something for the piggy flu.

Nor will we take something for Equine influenza ect... ect... ect.....
next H3N8 virus will change up and we will all have to kill are dogs lmao.

Its all a bunch of crap to me.

 

[LightWalker]

"To most people, vaccines sound medically harmless. "They're good for you!" say the doctors and drug companies, but they never really talk about what's in those vaccines.
There's a good reason for that: If people knew what was really in those vaccines, they would never allow themselves to be injected with them."

http://www.naturalnews.com/026779_swine_flu_vaccines_patents.html

 

[RocketTomato]

That's going to be a big no vote for me. From the different studies I've looked at there only seems to be about a 6-9% benefit from taking these various flu vaccines. The H1N1 Vaccine contains MF59 Squalene which is being linked to all kinds of nasty diseases including Gulf War Syndrome. There has been a huge backlash from certain veterans groups who were forced to have taken the Anthrax vaccines which they claim made them sick. One vet claims that he'd have gladly taken an AK-47 bullet than to have been subjected to the vaccine than was injected into him. The H1N1 Pandremix vaccine contains 1 million times more MF59 Squalene, 2.136.000 microgrammes per billion microgrammes of water compared to between 11-83 parts per billion in the anthrax vacines widely blamed for GWS.

Your post gave me pause, so I did some research and found this:

Squalene and other adjuvants are currently banned from use in vaccines. The US version of the H1N1 vaccine is made the same way as the regular seasonal flu vaccine.

Excerpt from:

http://www.cdc.gov/h1n1flu/vaccination/vaccine_safety_qa.htm

Will the 2009 H1N1 vaccines that are currently recommended contain adjuvants?
No. According to current federal plans, only unadjuvanted vaccines will be used in the United States during the 2009 flu season. This includes all of the 2009 H1N1 and seasonal influenza vaccines that will be available for children and adults in both the injectable and nasal spray formulations. None of these influenza vaccines will contain adjuvants.
2009 H1N1 vaccines with adjuvants are being studied to determine if they are safe and effective. Experts will review these data when they are available. There is no plan at this time to recommend a 2009 H1N1 influenza vaccine with an adjuvant.
Will the 2009 H1N1 influenza vaccine contain thimerosal?
The 2009 H1N1 influenza vaccines that FDA is licensing (approving) will be manufactured in several formulations. Some will come in multi-dose vials and will contain thimerosal as a preservative. Multi-dose vials of seasonal influenza vaccine also contain thimerosal to prevent potential contamination after the vial is opened.
Some 2009 H1N1 influenza vaccines will be available in single-dose units, which will not require the use of thimerosal as a preservative. In addition, the live-attenuated version of the vaccine, which is administered intranasally (through the nose), is produced in single-units and will not contain thimerosal. For more information on thimerosal.

 

[Patriot]

Thanks Rocket Tomato. I found a list of the known ingredient and here again Squalene isn't mentioned.

Known Ingredients....

1. What's in the regular flu shot?

•Egg proteins: including avian contaminant viruses

•Gelatin: known to cause allergic reactions and anaphylaxis are usually

•associated with sensitivity to egg or gelatin

•Polysorbate 80 (Tween80™): can cause severe allergic reactions,

•including anaphylaxis

•Formaldehyde: known carcinogen

•Triton X100: a strong detergent

•Sucrose: table sugar

•Resin: known to cause allergic reactions

•Gentamycin: an antibiotic

•Thimerosal: mercury is still in multidose vials



Thimerosal is still in multidose vials though. It seems that the nasal dose is safer than the injection.

I think my remaining objection emanates from the track record of other vaccines that have been rushed into service before thorough testing has been done. Look at how many people were injected with MF59 before they figured out it was terrible and banned it. At one time in early medical history it was thought that X rays were the miracle "cure all" for many diseases and so some doctors were bombarding patients in and effort to cure them. Needless to say it didn't work out to well for those who were dosed. Many will rush to the newest prevention treatments and many will suffer no adverse effects. Unfortunately some will also end up as the sacrificial guinea pigs as science continues to learn other hard lessons.

 

[flatline]

What, exactly, is your objection to Thimerosal?

You do realize, of course, that the claimed connection to Autism and mercury poisoning have been solidly debunked, right?

--flatline

 

[nativecajun]

I'm just curious if this has changed anybody's way of thinking about getting flu shots as it has mine.

Nothing has changed in mine. In a healthy adult there is no more risk with swine than any other flu. My wife is a nurse and I asked her what is so special about the swine flu and she about laughed. People, "more" people have died with the regular old flu's that go around each year than have swine this year. The Joke is with the media. The only thing that is news is something bad for them. The bigger they can make something the better their ratings.

I will not get a swine flu shot ever. When I am older I will consider the regular shot but not untill I hit my mid sixties. Pregnant woman are much more prone though in having bad complications from swine that my wife has told me. ( A nurse for ~ thirty years ) She works in neonatle intensive care in the largest hospital in Chattanooga. One seven year old has died with swine so far in her hospital. A pandenmic you say. The hypothetical "pandemic" has been much worse for regular flu strains in that past but that is old news. The media needs fresh stuff to scare the public with.

My advice to you all. Study and get edcucated and know the truth. Not the truth according to mainstream media hype.

As far as swine flu. The same as regular old flues. Dehydration, through both ends if you know what I mean. If you see a sic kid cry and no tears you may want to be concerned. Hydrate them as much as posible. Pedialite is good but regular old gatoraid is just as good at replacing elctrolites. Keep the fever down as much as posible. With swine the fever is hard to control so there is more risk for brain damage. So, Keep the fever down now matter what it takes.

Well nuff said. That is my input with no charge.

Kind Regards,
nativecajun

I have since read what others have posted here. I did not see that before I replied. I do not give a d--n what is in the shot. The clear truth is, the food and drug admin, will rush approval for something just to quell fear in people. There have been other drugs in use in Europe for years with great results. But the US OH no if we did not think of it, it must be bad. Things that are not prescription here are perscription there. And vise-versa. How fast did this vaxcine get approved? Seems a pretty short time to me. And yes my answer is still no. I will not pump something that has been passed through a horse or otherwise, into my body.

 

[nativecajun]

What, exactly, is your objection to Thimerosal?

You do realize, of course, that the claimed connection to Autism and mercury poisoning have been solidly debunked, right?

--flatline

Define Solidly. What is solid to evolutionist is a cartoon to me. What is solid to some, is firm as milk to others. If you like mercury go ahead. I prefer a good shot of wine thank you.

 

[Patriot]

What, exactly, is your objection to Thimerosal?

Thimerosal is far too controversial Flatline. As liberal as I usually am with my time I'm not going to do the research for you in this case. After the many PM's we've shared, I know you're quite capable if finding this info yourself.

flatline
You do realize, of course, that the claimed connection to Autism and mercury poisoning have been solidly debunked, right?

:thinking:....Thats like saying, diabetes isn't linked to muratic acid. Even if it's true, who cares. We already know that muratic acid is dangerous to us on many levels. Yes, I realize that some have claimed there's no connection to Autism and mercury but I don't recognize that it's been "debunked." Let's pretend that there was very little debate about the link between mercury and Autism and that 90% of scientists and doctors agreed to this, would you still go and ingest a few grams of mercury for the heck of it? No one in their right mind would do that. Likewise, what would the removal of one linked disease mean in our cumulative understanding against having mercury in our bodies? It's poisonous to us bro! :wave: