DX R2 Drop in [ P60 clone ? ] sku.13658

[old4570]

- Features a Cree XR-E R2 LED Emitter
- Color bin: WC
- 5-mode driver circuitry: Hi (250 lumens) > Mid (150 lumens) > low (80~100 lumens) > Strobe > SOS
- 3.6V~8.4V power input
- 26.5mm diameter
- 39.5mm height with support spring, 30.5mm without support spring
- Aluminum textured reflector
- Fits into WF-501B type flashlights and flashlights with similar bezel space

I put it into my Ultrafire 501B and ran it against my Ultrafire 502B R2 - 5mode

DX - sku.13658 - 501B @ 1 meter
1. Ebay RCR1213a 5000Lux
2. Trustfire 18650 5400Lux
3. DX RCR123a 4900Lux
4. Trustfire RCR123a Protected 5000Lux
5. Ultrafire 18650 Protected 5400Lux

Ultrafire 502B R2 5 mode @ 1 meter
1. Ebay RCR123a 6600Lux
2. Trustfire 18650 6900Lux
3. DX RCR123a 6800Lux
4. Trustfire RCR123a Protected 6600Lux
5. Ultrafire 18650 Protected 7200Lux

So , the question begs , at such low readings , is it ? Cree what ?
Either way ,

I have a Q5 on order , so I may swap out this one , and see if the Q5 is brighter . I know my Q3 is certainly brighter than this one .

 

[Zatoichi]

I don't know about that one, but the single mode version (sku.11836) is bright as hell.

 

[oronocova]

I know there are probably different makes/models/manufacturers of the Single and 5 Mode R2 modules. That said, it is also my experience the single mode is much brighter than the 5 mode.

 

[old4570]

I thought id check current draw .

Both flashlights had the same current draw with the same set of Batt's .

Ebay RCR123a 3.7v Hi - o.44A , Med - o.2A , Lo - o.05A

I would never have thought a R2 could be so different .

Which makes me think , it may not be R2 . When the Q5 gets here I will swap it in and see how it goes .

 

[jenskh]

It is probably the driver that gives too little current to the emitter, and not the emitter itself that is the problem.

 

[old4570]

It is probably the driver that gives too little current to the emitter, and not the emitter itself that is the problem.

Hmmm , I only have 4.2 Volt [ input ] drivers on order .

 

[jake25]

Old I think you should do some searching on how drivers work for LED's/CREEs in general. You'll find that it is not that battery or the emitter thats usually the choke point for lumen output or lux output in your case.

 

[old4570]

I will measure output when I swap out the emitter ...

But either way , the unit is as purchased , and whether its the LED or the driver , the output is still way down for an R2 Drop in Unit .

Im not un-soldering the positive lead right now to measure driver output .\
I will do that when the Q5 arrives , + I would need to do it to both R2 units to see what both are doing .

This was a simple test of DX's drop in , nothing more .
+ The only drivers I can get ATM are 4.2v input for 5 mode . I have several on the way so I can swap and test drivers .
Finding 3-8.4v Drivers is hard , Im still waiting for one to get to the retailer , let alone to me .

 

[Marduke]

Just because it uses an R2 does not make it immediately "brighter" than Q5 or Q2 or even 5mm lights. It just makes it more efficient.

Brightness is a function of the circuit much more so than the emitter.

 

[old4570]

Just because it uses an R2 does not make it immediately "brighter" than Q5 or Q2 or even 5mm lights. It just makes it more efficient.

Brightness is a function of the circuit much more so than the emitter.

Well there you go , problem is both took the same amount of power mA for mA . And so there fore one would think a closer result .

But the DX drop in got its butt kicked ! Bee it Cree or controller , it does not matter , its still a butt kicking ! + The flood VS throw , both were extremely close , it was hard to tell one from the other except for the brightness .

My Solarforce has a 3.7volt R2 assembly , and its very close in output to the Ultrafire 502B ...

I will test the controllers output when parts start to arrive , I have 3 different 4.2v input 5 mode controller boards on order , one advertised to put out 3500mA , and one reviewer reporting it only puts out 1500mA , well , 1500 is a lot better than 800 or 1000 . Cant wait to get my hands on that controller board I tell you .

In anyway , I will get to the bottom of this assemblies lack of output , but for now , as supplied , it sux's . Not better than a Q3 in a SAIK .

Explain it anyway you want , it cant compete with my other R2's , it has trouble keeping up with a Q3 3xAAA , and thats just wrong , anyway you look at it .
Its supposed to do 250Lumen in High , its not doing it , I even swapped it into the 502B to see if it did better in an other body , no such luck .

 

[seaside]

will test the controllers output when parts start to arrive , I have 3 different 4.2v input 5 mode controller boards on order , one advertised to put out 3500mA , and one reviewer reporting it only puts out 1500mA , well , 1500 is a lot better than 800 or 1000 . Cant wait to get my hands on that controller board I tell you .

3500mA ? I want to know what driver you're talking about.

 

[old4570]

I could yank your chain about surfing KD a little more , or just provide a direct link : http://www.kaidomain.com/ProductDetails.aspx?ProductId=1845

- Accepts one Li-ion (e.g. 18650)
- Direct drive P7 LED
- 10% 45% 100%
- High frenqency PWM
- 17mm diameter PCB
- Gold plated PCB for superior conductivity

Dimension: Diameter 16-17mm*Height 4.5mm
Input Voltage: 3.2-4.5V
Output current: 100-3500mA
Modes: High/Mid/Low/Strobe/SOS

 

[Marduke]

I could yank your chain about surfing KD a little more , or just provide a direct link : http://www.kaidomain.com/ProductDetails.aspx?ProductId=1845

- Accepts one Li-ion (e.g. 18650)
- Direct drive P7 LED
- 10% 45% 100%
- High frenqency PWM
- 17mm diameter PCB
- Gold plated PCB for superior conductivity

Dimension: Diameter 16-17mm*Height 4.5mm
Input Voltage: 3.2-4.5V
Output current: 100-3500mA
Modes: High/Mid/Low/Strobe/SOS

Not really a driver as you think. It's direct drive, and uses PWM to simply create lower output modes.

 

[kramer5150]

Curious...
Are you using one or two cells to test output?

Just because the manufacturer specifies functional operation at 3.6V, doesn't mean the DC-DC circuit will perform optimally at that Vin. I have no first hand experience with that particular 13658, but I own a few similar modules and all the ones I own perform poorly with a single cell.

Curious... does the 13658 perform better running at 8.4V? I know my 6090, 11836, 14442 and 17593 do for sure. IIRC they all run direct drive when Vin dips below ~4V.

I have since modded all my modules (except the 17593) to run off 3.7V, with 4x7135 driver boards

 

[kramer5150]

I could yank your chain about surfing KD a little more , or just provide a direct link : http://www.kaidomain.com/ProductDetails.aspx?ProductId=1845

- Accepts one Li-ion (e.g. 18650)
- Direct drive P7 LED
- 10% 45% 100%
- High frenqency PWM
- 17mm diameter PCB
- Gold plated PCB for superior conductivity

Dimension: Diameter 16-17mm*Height 4.5mm
Input Voltage: 3.2-4.5V
Output current: 100-3500mA
Modes: High/Mid/Low/Strobe/SOS

Correct me if I am wrong, but I think an XR-E will overheat if you drive it with 3500mah. Pretty sure that direct drive board is only intended for 4-die emitters.

Also you need to recalibrate your expectations. DX modules emit around 135-180 Lumens tops (depending on which one you get), 250L out the front is out of their reach.

 

[old4570]

Correct me if I am wrong, but I think an XR-E will overheat if you drive it with 3500mah. Pretty sure that direct drive board is only intended for 4-die emitters.

Also you need to recalibrate your expectations. DX modules emit around 135-180 Lumens tops (depending on which one you get), 250L out the front is out of their reach.

It is what it is ! I agree , cant argue that ! But that dont mean the output is not disappointing . And as for my expectations , I expect a R2 to perform like an R2 not a P4 . If my Solarforce and Ultrafire can do 7000Lux , then I expect a drop in to come close , not get its *** handed back on a platter !

 

[kramer5150]

It is what it is ! I agree , cant argue that ! But that dont mean the output is not disappointing . And as for my expectations , I expect a R2 to perform like an R2 not a P4 . If my Solarforce and Ultrafire can do 7000Lux , then I expect a drop in to come close , not get its *** handed back on a platter !

Have you tried running the 13658 at 8.4V? All my DX modules (mentioned above) performed noticeably better with 2x cells.

 

[old4570]

Ultrafire 501 is 18650 or 2xCR123A .

All the RCR123A batt's tested were 3.7v x 2

 

[Marduke]

Ultrafire 501 is 18650 or 2xCR123A .

But it won't perform the same on both cells.

BTW, have you compared total brightness, not just lux? Lux is not a measure of brightness....

 

[old4570]

Really ??? Lux is not a measure of brightness ??

And Ive posted the results for the Batt's , what it all equal's is a direct comparison , if you dont understand that , then reading this is a waste of time .

This thread is getting ?? a little out there , so Im going to stop replying now . Im sorry , but ?? :tired: