HID Flashlights

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Hey All!

I'm new into HID's and I was wondering if these lights would be reliable, and which ones would be the best:
http://www.xenontorch.com/Products.htm
http://www.magnalight.com/c-30--hid-flashlights.aspx
http://www.tokyo-model.com.hk/ecshop/goods.php?id=681 -----(Favorite so far)
http://www.aelight.com/product.php?category=10&id=3
http://www.aelight.com/product.php?category=11&id=19

I'm looking to get the G&P flashlight, but I've never heard of that company before, does anyone in this form know about it?

Thanks!
Victor
 
What would you be using the light for?

Remember that HIDs have a start up time before it reached full output.

If you want reliable out of those lights, AElight might be better then the other ones.
 
So AE Light has more quality?
What's the usual start up time for HIDs?
If I turn it on and it's fully started, then turn it off for a second or so, will the HID need to start up again?
Do HID lights get hot?
I would use this light for mostly camping.
 
If I turn it on and it's fully started, then turn it off for a second or so, will the HID need to start up again?

HID's shouldn't be turned on
Immediately after being turned off (a few seconds), as this will "instant restrike" it to full brightness since the bulb is still hot and damage it. You have to wait like a minute or so before turning it back on.:)
 
Some HID's, usually the more expensive ones, are "hot re-strikable" without doing damage. Polarion Helios is an example.
 
The casing of HID lights at a given wattage get as hot as an incan at the same wattage. The HID will be brighter at the same wattage though, because the important part - the arc in the bulb - is running at 5000 to 6000 degrees celsius. You don't want to be touching the bulb of either, really; both are hot enough to cause injury.
 
Wow, if their that how, won't the glass on the bulb melt and the metal surrounding it melt?
What other flashlights are good?
Can I just get the AE HID light and install one of the HID lamps from the Polarion?
 
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Then how does the SOS, or Strobe light features work?

Sorry for not being more clear. Like BVH said, more expensive HID's are "hot re-strikable". I think the Polarion's 40 watt HID bulb and ballast would be too large and might generate too much heat to install in the AE.

What other flashlights are good?


You might want to look into high power LED's, as they have great runtime, throw, and output. Maybe some one who knows more about them could recommend one to you.

I have a high power 530 lumen LED spotlight that is probably as powerful as LED's get, but too large and heavy for what you are looking for, and there are smaller more expensive LED flashlights that are just as bright and powerful as it. My point is that after owning it I see how high power LED's are pretty amazing.:)
 
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I think the Hot restrike capability is built into the Ballast and bulb and they work together and not apart.

Most HIDs don't have any modes and it is usualyl a bad idea to turn on a HID light right afte you turn it off. It will damage the bulb unless the bulb is designed with hot restrike capability.

The Polarion also uses a different bulb then the the ones you posted. HIDs aren't like LEDs or Incas where most of the time you can swap emitter/bulbs and expect something to light up. HIDs have to be matched with the right ballast inorder to work correctly. The bulbs are designed to run at the posted wattage and preferabably not higher or lower.

You still haven't answered what you need the light for. That would help a lot with finding a light that fits. You might have posted the answer in another thread but I don't remember seeing it.
 
The G&P lights have an atrocious track record with regards to quality. I would not go near their products until they improve.

For an all around HID light I'd have to say the N30 or L35 from battery junction (due out in about six weeks). I'm not sure exactly what you meant when you stated "biking" but none of these non-bike specific HID flashlights and spotlights will work well for biking. The Battery Junction lights would be great for camping and amateur caving though.

If you must have something shaped like a traditional tube style maglite, then the AE Light, Xenide series are very good...but realize that a 25W Xenide will not produce the lumens or throw that the N30 and L35 will. If you can't wait for an L35 and want something that is comperable, at least on paper, look at the RL-11 from Magnalight, which is in your second link.
 
I would use this light for mostly camping.
And sometimes, biking, and going in caves.
So I am blind,:oops:
For most camping, biking, and cave use it seems like something in the range of 100-200 lumen is more then enough, Remember that our eyes adapt to the different output levels.

Many people complain that their light doesn't have a low enough low. A normal sized high power LED light(no throwers) would cover all your needs besides "light up something at 200+ yards".

A good HID to start with is the N30.

Comparable to The Torch in output I presume. Well for something tubular, the Microfire Warrior K3500 should work. It seems larger then The Torch though and need start up time and has a blueish light.
 
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WiseLED Tactical Seoul Version(?) is supposed to have 1500 lumen and is dimmable.

If you are looking for ramping/choose your own output then you'll have to stay under 200 lumen from what I know.
 
So there's no such thing as a output adjustor? :'(
What would be the brightest LED flashlight that has an output adjustor?

DealExtreme has a lot of 900 lumen rated multi-mode LED flashlights, just go to the website and search "900 lumens". Can someone please verify if one of these lights is a good choice?
 
Sorry, I meant HID with a output adjuster.

So is this the light you were talking about?
http://www.wiseled.com/index.aspx?articleid=+927+927

What else is there for over 1000 lumens?

Thanks!
Victor

EDIT: Wow, the wiseled's expensive!
I think I'd be better off buying the Torch, :duh2:



That's correct, at this time HID lights rarely have adjustable output (variable output ballast)

Yes, that's the wiseled1500 in the link you provided. I consider it the Mercedes of multi-led flashlights. It's as nice as any custom and the output isn't overstated when compared to other 1000 lumen customs. It's specialized and the price reflects it. I really like mine but currently there is no active supporting USA dealer for Wiseled so if the light has a problem is has to be shipped overseas.

LED lights over a true 1000 lumens are rare. Most are customs or older large cantankerous designs. There are single LED lights that approach 1000 lumens in custom lights like the Mac P7 or Mac Osram LED. They're somewhat specialized with regards to the electronics but they're essentially housed within a stock maglite which has been cut down to the length needed to support the batteries.

Gunner12 does have a good point in saying that you don't need a 3000 or even 1000 lumens for general camping purposes. A good 200 lumen pocket light will often serve all your needs. There is probably a reason that you specifically inquired about HID and maybe it's just a case of still not knowing your exact application is going to be or perhaps you just really want and HID which is great!

The main advantage of HID is outright throw performance. They produce light more efficiently than incandescent lights so operate much longer on a given power source. They also have the advantage of being regulated so they don't dim as the battery is depleted, they just turn off when the voltage is no longer sufficient for the ballast. The disadvantage of 35+ watt HID lights is almost always the size. They're going to be longer and or bulkier than the brightest LED lights. The advantage is that they provide so much extra light for general tasks or walking in the woods, that you may actually find yourself wondering why you're using it.....something that happens to me all the time...:p

I would strongly suggest not purchasing the "torch" light in your first link if that's what you were refering to. Chinese 24-35W, hand held aluminum lights are constantly saturating the market. The companies who build and market these lights are often there one day and gone the next leaving you with a $450 chunk of junk when it fails. Even the best quality HIDs can have the occassional issue or failure and the chance of failure increases greatly when standard or sub-standard electronics and power supplies are used, often the case with these consumer lights.

I would strongly suggest purchasing an HID light that is a "known factor" among the community of light enthusiasts and from a dealer who has a track record of support for CPF and it's members. There are folks here who have already made all the mistakes for you in advance and can therefor steer you to some quality lights and dealers as a result.

My picks are still the N30, L35 (not yet available), the ACRO RL-11, and finally the AE Xenide Xe-25W (if you prefer a conventional flashlight shape)

Hope that helps some with your decision. Good luck :)
 
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Note that the Torch (I assume you are talking about Mac's fire-starting Torch??) is putting out about 4000 lumens thereabouts and is quite blindingly bright..... a veritable wall of light..........

BUT.................... it only runs for max 12-15 mins on a single charge of the batteries.

You can try Mac's Sceptre if you want a small, compact (about 6.75 in total) multi-LED light that cranks out more than 1000 lumens for more than an hour and with a lower level if needed...

*shameless plug here*.... I have one for sale over at the B/S/T...:D

But really.... Mac's workmanship and creations are second to none... you have to get one to see what I'm talking about...

as for me... where HID is concerned, I'm eagerly awaiting the L35...:D



Sorry, I meant HID with a output adjuster.

So is this the light you were talking about?
http://www.wiseled.com/index.aspx?articleid=+927+927

What else is there for over 1000 lumens?

Thanks!
Victor

EDIT: Wow, the wiseled's expensive!
I think I'd be better off buying the Torch, :duh2:
 

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