Increased Terrorist Threat warning - should the govt tell us what when where and why?

[**DONOTDELETE**]

Re: Increased Terrorist Threat warning - should the govt tell us what when where and why?

iddi, well yes and no, the board limit is 8, so....

..but 5 times a day? off with their heads! (that is a

)

 

[iddibhai]

Re: Increased Terrorist Threat warning - should the govt tell us what when where and why?

hey btw, in the shotshow pic of you taken by PGransee (I think), it looks like you have a tablet PC correct? (the flip/twist clie is easy ID)

 

[ikendu]

Re: Increased Terrorist Threat warning - should the govt tell us what when where and why?

The frustration we all feel about the Terror Threat Level (and how hard it is to have any meaning after telling us "be alarmed!" over and over), just underscores how hard it is to defend against terrorism.

Every time we run around shutting down events or taping up all of the windows in America I can just imagine Osama getting a great big belly laugh out of that. Al Queda hardly has to do anything more to paralyze the U.S. Just the thought of another attack has us spending tons of money and time trying to defend a huge infrastructure of transportation, energy and gathering places.

The bad part is...we probably don't have any choice but to spend the time trying to defend the almost un-defendable and we probably don't have any choice issuing the constant stream of warnings.

But...to really fight terror, there are at least two approaches needed (IMO).

1. Military-only approaches

This is like what we did in Afganistan. We found terrorist training camps and when the Taliban government refused to take them out...we took out the Taliban and the training camps. This was necessary.

2. Finding and destroying the roots of terror

This is the much harder part. It wasn't "easy" to do what we did in Afganistan...but at least it was a clear target. This second part requires our U.S. government to examine why Al Queda is so wide spread, so well funded and so easily can obtain recruits to throw their lives at us in suicide attacks.

I don't buy that it is because "They hate our freedom". We have plenty of Muslims from that part of the world that live right here in the good 'ole US of A and they don't hate our freedom. So why were 15 of the 19 9-11 highjackers from Saudi Arabia? We need to understand that part and examine what we are doing to cause any part of that problem.

We support the Saudi Arabian gov't. Today's issue of the Parade magazine (2/16/03) has an article listing "The world's most ruthless dictators". Saddam Hussein and Fidel Castro are listed. That's not too surprising.

What you might find surprising are is the ranking of "The world's most ruthless dictators". Parade ranks them like this:

1. Kim Jong Il (North Korea)
2. King Fahd & Crown Prince Abdullah (Saudi Arabia)
3. Saddam Hussein (Iraq)
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9. Fidel Castro (Cuba)

The U.S. is in pretty tight with the Saudis. How come? I thought we were all about democracy, freedom of religion, freedom of speech, etc. You won't find these in Saudia Arabia. So...why are we so tight with Saudia Arabia. Why aren't we pressuring them to grant more human rights?

IMO, we need to be doing TWO things to fight terrorism; military operations...and figuring out things like why so many Saudi young men were willing to die to hurt us.

 

[Unicorn]

Re: Increased Terrorist Threat warning - should the govt tell us what when where and why?

These are the same typs of warnings that could have come out before 9-11-01. The same vague, non-specific threats that would have done almost nothing to make anyone at the WTC or Pentagon any safe, the same sorry warnings that the anti-Bush crowd cryed about not getting on 9-10, and are crying about getting now.
They either whine about not getting an exact warning about what is going to happen (after the fact of course), or that there are too many. Guess what, there are almost always threats going around. These are based on various intelligence source, and truthfully are nothing more than educated guesses. These warnings that some here are babbling about are the same exact thing that would have been put out before 9-11. Nothing specific. There are no psychics who can predict the future woking at the CIA/NSA/DIA etc.

It's easy to find people who are willing to die, when you combine hoplessnes in terrible conditions with some sort of religious fanaticism. Hell, you don't even need the bad conditions, it just helps. Look at the cults that pop up every so often, not to mention the white supremecy/neo-Nazi groups that are in the US and Europe.

 

[eluminator]

Re: Increased Terrorist Threat warning - should the govt tell us what when where and why?

I believe you meant Kim Jong (North Korea) not South Korea

 

[Charles Bradshaw]

Re: Increased Terrorist Threat warning - should the govt tell us what when where and why?

The moslems consider this a continuation of the Crusades, which to them, never ended. Our extermination is their goal. (I am speaking of the somewhat hardcore to extremists.)

Since King Georgey Porgy Bushy Wushy I specifically stated this is a Crusade, I guess the Moslems were right all along (in this respect). {I call him this, cause he sure acts like a King with Absolute Power}

Now, on topic: IF the feds stated a specific locale, then the terrorists would CHANGE the locale! Get real and start thinking.

 

[ikendu]

Re: Increased Terrorist Threat warning - should the govt tell us what when where and why?

Originally posted by eluminator:
I believe you meant Kim Jong (North Korea) not South Korea

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Thanks! ...corrected.

 

[ikendu]

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Originally posted by Charles Bradshaw:
IF the feds stated a specific locale, then the terrorists would CHANGE the locale!

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Yup. It really gets to the fact of being impossible to perfectly protect against terrorism. Geez, look at Israel. They have the reputation of one of the best special forces, intelligence and security in the whole world. They still haven't been able to stop terrorism with such means. A military-only approach simply won't do the whole job.

 

[PeterM]

Re: Increased Terrorist Threat warning - should the govt tell us what when where and why?

Originally posted by Unicorn:
These are the same typs of warnings that could have come out before 9-11-01. The same vague, non-specific threats that would have done almost nothing to make anyone at the WTC or Pentagon any safe, the same sorry warnings that the anti-Bush crowd cryed about not getting on 9-10, and are crying about getting now.
They either whine about not getting an exact warning about what is going to happen (after the fact of course), or that there are too many. Guess what, there are almost always threats going around. These are based on various intelligence source, and truthfully are nothing more than educated guesses. These warnings that some here are babbling about are the same exact thing that would have been put out before 9-11. Nothing specific. There are no psychics who can predict the future woking at the CIA/NSA/DIA etc.
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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Sorry, Wrong. There were quite specific warnings prior to 9/11. Not specific on the exact targets or timing, but specific in the sense of intent to use an airliner as a missile. This would not have called for the generalized "alerts" we experience today, but they should have resulted in increased scrutiny of flight schools and increased quality of airport security. This could have been done in a low key way so as not to panic the flying public. It still may not have been prevented, but who knows?

The alert we get nowadays are orchestrated to for political purposes. Ever notice how every time some damaging information about the shrub administration comes out, there's another terror alert? The latest came on the heels of the news that Powells "intelligence" report to the UN was plagiarized from some college student.

 

[PeterM]

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Originally posted by PlayboyJoeShmoe:

There is far too damn much PC, and nowhere near enough *** KICKING...

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">When are you signing up with the military Playboy?