New Member - HID Question

Erich1B

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Hi everyone, new member here. Great site. Already picked up a Stanley 1365 lumen spotlight from Wal*Mart. Now, I'm interested in a HID flashlight. I've looked at the 35w Oracle, but undecided about that light.

Does anyone have any familiarity with the following flashlight? I used the search feature but didn't find any info about this light.

XenonTorch EAGLE-EYE Tactical Flashlight.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zoMUSZ5TjmI

They're available at a reasonable price on ebay

Thanks in advance...........Erich
 
Hello and welcome to CPF. You've come to the right place.

The more you tell us about what you're looking for and what you'll be using it for, the better advice can be given.

Budget.
Do you want a "distance" (throw) beam or a flood beam. How far does it need to shine.
Style - Maglite style or will the N30 & L35 style work. (do a search on Titanium N30 and Titanium L35)
How much run time per charge.
Color temp of bulb - white or blue'ish.
 
Hello and welcome to CPF. You've come to the right place.

The more you tell us about what you're looking for and what you'll be using it for, the better advice can be given.

Budget.
Do you want a "distance" (throw) beam or a flood beam. How far does it need to shine.
Style - Maglite style or will the N30 & L35 style work. (do a search on Titanium N30 and Titanium L35)
How much run time per charge.
Color temp of bulb - white or blue'ish.

Thanks BVH.

Great questions.
Budget - no more than $400
Style - Maglite style is prefered. I have looked at the Amondo Tech N30 (nice light and good price)
Run Time - 50 minutes continuous would be a minimum.
Color Temp of Bulb - White

I'm looking more for distance (throw) than a flood beam.

Several days ago, my wife let our dog out back and an animal (turned out to be a Possum) was in our back yard. My little cheap flashlight was worthless to illuminate my dog and the animal so I started to read up on better lights. That's how I came to this site. After doing some reading, I went to Wal*mart and got a 1365 Lumen Stanley spotlight for $32.00.

In reality, the Stanley is all I really need.

However, after seeing what some flashlights can do I really just want a powerful light for fun :) But, it would be nice to have a strong light when my wife and I take our dog for a walk in the neighborhood at night.
 
One that first comes to mind is the Stanley HID. It's styled exactly like the Stanley you bought only they're yellow in color and usually mixed in with the Halogen model you got. You have to sort thru the packages. However, it's not Maglite style and it's run time max is about 33 to 35 minutes. But for a measly $70.00, it's an unheard of bargain. Heck, buy two and you'll have your runtime requirement met. Seriously! Read the Stanley HID thread here on CPF.

You mention the Amondotech N30 which is now the Titanium N30. Great light! So is the newer Titanium L35. Like the N30 but with many upgrades including a Li-Poly battery. Battery Junction - the retailer for both the Titaniums is bringing out a new L50 in a few days. We don't know the price yet but it will be a 30/50 Watt HID. You can't go wrong with any of these.

Maybe the other fellas with the Maglite style 35 Watt HIDs will chime in.
 
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One that first comes to mind is the Stanley HID. It's styled exactly like the Stanley you bought only they're yellow in color and usually mixed in with the Halogen model you got. You have to sort thru the packages. However, it's not Maglite style and it's run time max is about 33 to 35 minutes. But for a measly $70.00, it's an unheard of bargain. Heck, buy two and you'll have your runtime requirement met. Seriously! Read the Stanley HID thread here on CPF.

You mention the Amondotech N30 which is now the Titanium N30. Great light! So is the newer Titanium L35. Like the N30 but with many upgrades including a Li-Poly battery. Battery Junction - the retailer for both the Titaniums is bringing out a new L50 in a few days. We don't know the price yet but it will be a 30/50 Watt HID. You can't go wrong with any of these.

Maybe the other fellas with the Maglite style 35 Watt HIDs will chime in.

Thanks for the feedback BVH.

I have looked at the Stanley you mentioned, and read the Stanley thread on this site. I agree that it's a good bargan. However, it wouldn't really suit my need for something that would be convenient to take for an evening walk with my dog. That's why I'm looking for a good Maglite style HID.

I've looked at Battery Junction's website and will probably by one of the lights you mentioned to have at home.

Thanks again for the feedback, as I really know nothing about this subject.

Erich
 
Be sure to check out the Oracle 24 Watt and 35 Watt threads. I have the 24 Watt and it would be perfect for walking the dogs if your walks are 35 minutes or under. It's runtime is limited but it is a great light and uses a 4300K temp bulb - no blue or purple, just white light. All the other brands use a purple'ish, 6000K or higher lamp. The 35 Watt version has more run time and brightness but is longer. I think either one would work well.
 
When it comes to "mag" style lights, there really isn't quite such a thing, other than small 10-16W customs. If you just mean an aluminum tubed HID flashlight of traditional proportions, there are a few available out there however, none of them are going to be ultimate throwers compared to the lights BVH mentioned.

24W-35W aluminum tube lights come from the traditional brands, Wolf Eyes, Microfire and AE Light.

The Wolf Eyes Boxer 24W is the smallest and takes 3 x drop in li-ion 18650 cells. All of the lights are rechargeable but with this light you don't have to purchase a battery pack from the manufacturer. You can purchase individual cells of your choice. On the down side, the regulation isn't perfectly flat (most of these lights aren't) and the beam is a rather blue 6000K

Microfire has a 35W model called the K3500R with is more powerful than the Boxer or AE lights but once again the color temperature is rather blue. It is however the smallest 35W light available. It compares in overall light output to the larger automotive based 35W spotlight such as the POB. On the down side they're a bit expensive and a little more than what you want to spend.

The AE Light, Xenide series of lights are probably the nicest of the lights mentioned and use a little better bulb than the other lights mentioned. They have the feel of a maglite on steriods and due to the larger battery packs have great run-time. They also have smooth reflectors, something which none of the other lights mentioned will have. This mean that the beam will be more narrow (less floody) but also throw further than the other lights. These don't have the warm 4200K beams like the better lights that BVH mentioned but once broken in have better color than the others previously mentioned.

The newest aluminum HIDs to the party are the Oracle and Tactical HID lights. In my opinion these have a lot going for them due to the price and warmer color temperature. The 35W light are large but also run longer than the 35W microfire. Neither of these lights have been perfect so make sure that you purchase them from a good retailer if you buy one. That way if you run into any problem you can send it back. I would lean toward these lights if you're value minded.

The ultimate lights in your price range are the N30 & L35. Don't let the pictures fool you, these lights are not big! They are compact, handy lights with far better beam than any of the previously mentioned lights. They were designed with input from light enthusiasts and a couple of CPF members played a big roll in bringing these to market. They compare well to lights costing twice their price. The L35 is a virtual feather weight because of the li-po battery that's used and is within your price range. The output will be comperable to the Stanley but will run much longer and is wrapped in a much higher quality light body with nicer overhead handle. I can't think of any reason not to buy one of these lights. N30 problems for example have been much lower than the Tactical HID and Oracle lights. As far as I know every CPF member who purchased the N30 when is first came out still has a working N30. I don't think I could safely predict the reliability over time with regards to the Tactical and Oracle.

In summery, Best Value,
Tacical HID and Oracle

Best in aluminum
Xenide25

Best overall
N30, L35
 
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Thanks Patriot,

Very informative post. As I'm in no rush to buy a light, I think I'll follow the forum to get some ideas about the L50 that BVH mentioned.

I appreciate your input, and will seriously consider the L35 that you and BVH mentioned.

I took a look at the MicroFire Warrior III K3500R. Very nice light, perhaps something to consider for the future?

Much appreciated............Erich
 
You're very welcome and thanks for joining in discussion with us. :)


You had me thinking about your dog walking and I wanted to mention that any of the lights we discussed so far will provide more than enough light and throw to see your dog over 150 yards. Even though some of these are considered "floody" by HID standards, it doesn't mean that they still won't reach out there beyond anything you've experienced before. They're all on a much different performance scale compared to what 99+% of casual flashlight users will ever experience. I just wanted to make sure you knew that, should you prefer something as compact as possible, it's still going to fit within your "needs" parameter for performance. Lights like the N30 & L35 simply take it to the next level.

P.S. It's likely that the L50 will be well above the price that you mentioned but if you're not in a hurry, it's certainly worth consideration given the very near release date.
 
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Thanks Patriot,

While looking at other posts in this forum, I saw one members picture of several of his lights - one being the L35. Looking at that picture, I was able to get a better sense of it's size. Looking at it's picture on the internet, without comparison, I had assumed that it was larger than it really is.

Given it's size, it really seems like it would be great fit for my needs.

Thanks again for the replies, both from you and BVH.

Since these types of lights can be a bit of an expense, it's great to have a site like this to get ideas about quality, performance, etc., (if you're a neophyte on the subject, as I am) before just arbitrarily picking something based on manufacturers claims.

Regards...........Erich
 
Does anyone have any familiarity with the following flashlight? I used the search feature but didn't find any info about this light.

XenonTorch EAGLE-EYE Tactical Flashlight.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zoMUSZ5TjmI


Hi Erich,

That's a video of the Oracle / Tactical HID 35 watt HID. It can be had for way less money than what you have mentioned. More like the $200.00 range or slightly more. It's well worth the money.
 
I really don't understand why you want an HID to walk your dog. HIDs are extremely bright, and complete overkill for dog walking in my opinion. You will probably just blind your dog, and don't be surprised if you get calls from neighbors. I personally think a high output LED would be more than enough for dog walking, unless your dog has a leash that is 1000+ feet.
I think you would be better of getting the stanley HID "for fun" (or whatever excuse you can up with) and getting a small, high output LED for actual dog walking.
Walking on a street with an HID will completely destroy your night vision, and is complete overkill in my opinion. A good high output LED would be very good for dog walking, and would be significantly smaller than an HID, with longer runtime.
 
Because we're Lumens junkies and MORE is BETTER!:D

The Oracle 24 Watt would be a perfect dog walking light.


I understand that more lumens is better (this is why I got my HID). However, I can't imagine walking around in my neighborhood with it without getting calls from neighbors (in fact, I already have gotten calls from them).
 
Mjolnir, not everyone lives in the type of neighborhood that you live in. I love walking the dog with HID's around my hood and have never had a single complaint. People will sometimes ask what kind of light I'm using and where they can get one just like it but other than that everyone has been fine. I even had a cop who was on a regular patrol pull over to the curb and ask me once.

Regarding the actual practicality, of course you can get away with much less, even down to the single 5mm Nichia for simple navigational purposes. The difference is that walking with the HID changes and greatly expands the night time world. I get to see all kinds of interesting critters such as owls, coyotes, Javalina, bunnies, snakes, and even the occational deer. These would mostly all go unoticed had I been using my NovaTac for example. My walks are only about 45 minutes and the batteries are rechargeable, so run-time isn't an issue. The dog is so used to the HID that she walks where the light is pointed and also see's animals much further away than she normally would. Since I boarder some open desert area, when I venture off of the pavement the HID is even more spectacular. It gives you your own little 90 degrees of daylight, so to speak, where ever it's pointed.

The best analogy I can make would be compared to watching a moving on a 19" tube TV vs. on a 65" DLP with blu-ray. Are you able to understand the context of the movie and attest that you actually watched it on the 19"? Well, sure but imagine how much more expansive things are on the 65". It allows you to see all of the things that you had been previously missing.

I'm with BVH and think the 24W Oracle would be fantastic because of it's size.
 
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Actually, I do live in an area where the extra illumination provided by a HID light would be a benefit.
 
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