outersquare
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is this still coming out or what
P61L
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I can't say I'm bothered now. Originally I was really looking forward to Surefire releasing this module and I definitely would have bought a few. However, unless the P61L can bring something new to the table that a Malkoff M60 doesn't I'm afraid that they have missed the boat.
However, I'm not surprised that the P61L has not appeared as Surefire does have a lot of other ongoing projects which I think take precedence over the introduction of a new stand alone lamp module. From a business perspective it would seem sensible to avoid spending a lot of time and money on the P61L when they need to get new flashlights onto the market?
However, I'm not surprised that the P61L has not appeared as Surefire does have a lot of other ongoing projects which I think take precedence over the introduction of a new stand alone lamp module. From a business perspective it would seem sensible to avoid spending a lot of time and money on the P61L when they need to get new flashlights onto the market?
Sgt. LED
Flashaholic
I think it's dead on the table due to heatsinking concerns.
To have enough heatsinking their drop in would have to look too similar to other's products and they can't stand the thought.
To have enough heatsinking their drop in would have to look too similar to other's products and they can't stand the thought.
JNewell
Flashlight Enthusiast
Just bought an M60 for exactly the same reason - got tired of waiting for the P61L.
WadeF
Flashlight Enthusiast
I wouldn't be surprised if they are waiting on the new multi-emitter Cree.
brighterisbetter
Flashlight Enthusiast
Here's what you've gotta remember though. The CPF is a relatively close-knit community. For the everyday joe who goes to buy a SF from a brick-n-mortar, and sees a whopping "200 lumen" upgrade next to the lights, he's likely to buy regardless of whatever else is out there. He's probably thinking, "Well I can choose between SF and some guy named Malkoff" which is a shame because I agree with other's posts here and own a few Malkoff's myself. Let's hope this isn't so, and that Gene gets the exposure he deserves before the P61L comes in and destroys the competition.
I like the Surefire design better than most of the aftermarket drop ins. I am in for a P61L when they are available. I emailed them on Wednesday morning, but Surefire has not yet responded to my inquiry about the availability of the P61L.
Sgt. LED
Flashaholic
I bet you never ever hear from them either.
I have a total of 5 ignored E-mails as of last week. You just HAVE to call them.
I have a total of 5 ignored E-mails as of last week. You just HAVE to call them.
Usually they reply within 2 or 3 days, this is the first time I haven't gotten an email reply in quite awhile.
I emailed SureFire a while back, I actually got an answer almost seconds after having pressed the send button!
I was really surprised by this! And a bit sad when they told me that they didnt have any time plan at all to when they might be releasing the P61L.
All this new SF products that havent come out yet has only made me stop being a Flashaholic...Im not even EDCing a light anymore!
I might be cured "when" SF releases their new products
I was really surprised by this! And a bit sad when they told me that they didnt have any time plan at all to when they might be releasing the P61L.
All this new SF products that havent come out yet has only made me stop being a Flashaholic...Im not even EDCing a light anymore!
I might be cured "when" SF releases their new products
brighterisbetter
Flashlight Enthusiast
WHAT!!!???? - That's Blasphemy!!!!!!!
Size15's
Flashaholic
I suggest that if SureFire have a proto-type P61L at their booth for the SHOT Show 2009 then there is a chance they will release it before SS2010.
Bullzeyebill
Flashaholic
All this new SF products that havent come out yet has only made me stop being a Flashaholic...Im not even EDCing a light anymore!
I might be cured "when" SF releases their new products
That is so sad, and no cure n sight!!! Looks like it will be a slow, cruel, lingering illness.
Bill
Sgt. LED
Flashaholic
Hoorah for Malkoff!
Surefire would be wise to just buy malkoffs and not burn up anymore R&D money trying to make good drop-ins.
Honestly does anyone here think Surefire could do better than Gene?
Surefire would be wise to just buy malkoffs and not burn up anymore R&D money trying to make good drop-ins.
Honestly does anyone here think Surefire could do better than Gene?
I honestly don't think that there is a better design than Gene's M60 :thumbsup:
mdocod
Flashaholic
Here's my thoughts:
The difference between LOLA and HOLA lamps in the incan line, is not really throw, but total output, spread out into a wider beam.
I would not doubt it if they were planning to replicate this in the P61L, which means they need a small multi-die emitter...
So yea, I'd say expect it to have that new MC-E (or something like it) if they ever do come out.
I agree though that sticking to their standard lamp design on this one is not going to work well when taking into consideration thermal issues, very curious to see what they will do with that.
Eric
The difference between LOLA and HOLA lamps in the incan line, is not really throw, but total output, spread out into a wider beam.
I would not doubt it if they were planning to replicate this in the P61L, which means they need a small multi-die emitter...
So yea, I'd say expect it to have that new MC-E (or something like it) if they ever do come out.
I agree though that sticking to their standard lamp design on this one is not going to work well when taking into consideration thermal issues, very curious to see what they will do with that.
Eric
That's a really big plus in my opinion.
I've found some of the current drop-in designs to be somewhat unreliable in operation, especially under hard use or daily operation. I'd rather have the outer spring there to make sure it is making good contact with the body. SF's design seems to be the more reliable design than the typical LED drop-in "pill" for lack of better term.
mdocod
Flashaholic
I think they can maintain an outer spring, but just beef up the amount of metal, and make the springs shorter.
