Sanblasting and Powder Coating Flashlights ...

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I always wanted to give a tougher finish to my project lights than the OEM Anodize in the factory Mags, and although for Al the HAIII is the best/preferred method, I refused to deal myself with HA Type III since I have two small kids in the house. It is of course true that you can send your parts to be HAIII somewhere, but after talking to Brian (Mirage_Man) and others who have gone that route, and heard about some of the problems and inconsistent finish/color that sometimes results from HAIII, I decided to compromise and invest in a powder coating (PC) setup as the "consensus" seems to be that PC is more durable than the standard Anodize process, but not quite as strong/durable as true HAIII. I want to thank other forum members who have shared with experience with blasting cabinets and with powder coating, both publicly on various threads on CPF, and by email - you guys are awesome :bow:

From my reading prior to PC a part you really need to clean it well, and if possible make the surface slightly porous so that the PC can adhere well. So I started by making my own small, portable sand blasting cabinet. I bought this Maxus benchtop cabinet:
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Which I then proceeded to clean up and seal it as most reviews on most of these low cost cabinets show that they are "very" rarely truly sealed from the factory (mostly coming from China).
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I also added a car air filter to the intake port, not so much to prevent dirt from coming "in", but dust from coming out the intake port, even though my vacuum generated a very strong negative pressure inside (specially now that it is "well" sealed):
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So with some kits parts from Horror Freight I build me a mobile system:
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The height was set so that I can comfortable work/view everything as ergonomically as possible (silver "V" holders not painted black yet in this picture):
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I also installed an air regulator right on the cabinet so that I can dial just what I need regardless of the shop's higher PSI on the lines:
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To start with I am using AO 70 grit:
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For my vacum I am using a small "contractor" grade (whatever that means!) with both filters in place, although I still "vent" outside:
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and of course I am still using a good, vented P95 filter:
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How does it work? At roughly 40-50 PSI I got this in a relatively short time. I left the right side untouched for a comparison, and to see how well the PC will adhere to the untreated surface:
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I then degreased, cleaned, and baked the part in the oven for at least 30 minutes. Once the part was cooled, I then applied the powder with my PC gun (I have the older version of this one, when it was still being called the Hyper Smooth Pony PC system). The powder that I am using to try everything is a "textured" black powder. Here is a photo of the coated part on top of an untouched black cut-off for comparison:
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The "textured" baked powder feels great on the hand/skin. Very "grippy" without being abrasive - I bet it would be great with greasy/dirty hands. The finish is fairly low-gloss - in the photos above it seems brighter than in person due to the close proximity of the twin lamps (one on each side). The coating was not very thick, since I can still screw the tailcap with no problems (of course I would have to touch up the edge on the lathe [or sandpaper by hand] to make it conductive again if this were part of a complete Mag light). I have other color and finishes to try, so this will be a fun and practical project for the next couple of weeks/months :thumbsup:
 
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Will, very nice! I especially love the mods you made to the blast cabinet to make it more friendly to operate. Another great job from you.
Thanks
 
Very nice :thumbsup:

Will you also try glass beads as a blasting media? It leaves more of a satin finish than aluminum oxide, which may or may not be desirable for PC use.

PC is quite tough, as it's actually powdered paint that is baked onto the part. Awful stuff if it ever has to be cleaned off prior to welding, which shouldn't ever be a concern for a light.
 
Thank you guys - very much still a newbe here.


Will you also try glass beads as a blasting media? It leaves more of a satin finish than aluminum oxide, which may or may not be desirable for PC use.

From my research, for treatment Al prior to PC, glass beads can be problematic. This is a very interesting and long thread that explains in good detail the problem (which has to do with some of the glass pieces get embedded in the relatively soft Al):
I found sand blasting aluminum prior to powder coating is a big no-no.
 
Nice work on the cabinet! Get some spare nozzles if they are currently available. They seem very hard to find when ya need em.

I'd agree about bead blasting as a paint prep. It peens the surface rather than cutting it. Sorta closes the pores and makes the surface smoother.
 
Will, why not try the Cerakote finish? You have the blaster, spray gun and oven. The finish with be tougher than PC.
 
Will, why not try the Cerakote finish? You have the blaster, spray gun and oven. The finish with be tougher than PC.

Always a possibility. From what I have read it is a liquid, so I can't use my powder coating gun for it. Looks like I would need to buy a small, quality airbrush or HVLP (gravity fed) spray gun to apply it. Here is a good/short video from Brownells showing how to mix the color with the hardener, and then use a small airbrush to apply:
http://www.brownells.com/.aspx/lid=11833/guntechdetail/Demonstration_of_Specific_Cerakote_Application_

Here is a longer video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPGRwd8Pyfc
 
Will, that's a very promising result. :thumbsup:

Take a look at this as a possible alternative to Cerakote/Gunkote/Duracoat:

http://www.johnnorrellarms.com/molyresin_about.asp

There's a bottle sitting on my work bench but haven't yet used it. I'd welcome any info and advice from anyone who has. And I'll report in when I get a chance to break out the airbrush and try it.

I'm REALLY trying to avoid the temptation to try anodizing! :shakehead
 
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I'm REALLY trying to avoid the temptation to try anodizing!
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If you're thinking about ano, look at the Electroless Nickel process that Brownell's developed. Easy, doesn't require too much equipment, nearly foolproof, extraordinarily tough finish.

http://www.brownells.com/.aspx/pid=1069/Product/ELECTROLESS_NICKEL_PLATING

I worked in a shop that used this process, and it was one of the biggest profit makers they had. Surface prep is important, as it is with any finish (whether PC, ceramic, ano, etc.)
 
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If you're thinking about ano, look at the Electroless Nickel process that Brownell's developed. Easy, doesn't require too much equipment, nearly foolproof, extraordinarily tough finish.

http://www.brownells.com/.aspx/pid=1069/Product/ELECTROLESS_NICKEL_PLATING

I worked in a shop that used this process, and it was one of the biggest profit makers they had. Surface prep is important, as it is with any finish (whether PC, ceramic, ano, etc.)
Pretty awesome. Not exactly "cheap" to start playing with it, but of course that is a relatively large container that will work on LOTs of small flashlights, so the cost would be spread out.


Will, that's a very promising result. :thumbsup:

Take a look at this as a possible alternative to Cerakote/Gunkote/Duracoat:

http://www.johnnorrellarms.com/molyresin_about.asp

There's a bottle sitting on my work bench but haven't yet used it. I'd welcome any info and advice from anyone who has. And I'll report in when I get a chance to break out the airbrush and try it.
Thanks much for the link. Moly Resin does indeed look like a very good alternative to Cerakote/Gunkote/Duracoat, and it just needs a very simple/inexpensive airbrush like this one (complete kit being about $95, and as low as $70 if you shop around):
Badger Model 350 Single Action Airbrush


I'm REALLY trying to avoid the temptation to try anodizing! :shakehead
I know what you mean, but I am way past that point. With all of the viable options available today, Anodizing is dead last on my list :devil: . I am starting with Powder Coating, but I hope to try some of the other options later on as well.
 
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Very interesting. But Brownell's instruction pdf doesn't mention using the stuff on any metal other than steel.
 
Cerakote is tough ... but is a pricey process (cost of the coating material). Plus it's applied with a HVLP touch up spray gun, and a decent gun (like a SATAjet 3000) will run $500-$700.

http://www.nicindustries.com/cerakote.php


I spoke with a Cerakote technician for about an hour one day. You do not need a $500, $300 or even $100 gun to spray this product. You can use a Harbor Freight jobby if you want. It's not a mirror type finish so a $500 gun is not needed.

It is not pricey at all. You can buy a $35 kit and I was told that would cover 5 full size hand guns. I'm guessing that would translate into 5-7 1.5D Mags. You don't need to coat the inside of the tube or the threads.
 
You do not need a $500, $300 or even $100 gun to spray this product.
My bad ... I spray finishes for furniture & every other HVLP gun I've bought (& sold) has been a disappointment. The Sata guns work, so that's what I use.

Brownell's instruction pdf doesn't mention using the stuff on any metal other than steel.
I worked at Brownell's during the time they were developing the EN process for gun shop use (1982 IIRC). It can be used on all steels (including leaded and resulfurized); cast iron; stainless steels; aluminum; copper, bronze and brass; non-conductors (ceramics, plastics); powdered or sintered metals; and magnesium, beryllium and titanium.

Cannot be used on UnObTanium :nana:
 
so what all do you have in your PC set up. I want to invest in one for coating dirtbike parts and some things on my project that I showed in the CAD posting. Not sure what all I need to get started. I read an article on one of the home coating systems in a four wheeler mag like maybe four years ago and they said it was easy and worked well. Even showed the process of the parts.


Its kinda funny though how you guys like PC but not Ano. In the dirtbike world Ano is the new think and PC is old news. Everyone wants all there parts Ano'd.

I however have found that the Ano looks great at first but then not so much. For example my 2007 bike has Black Ano'd forks and rear shock tube and they are now purple in the right light.
 
Black Ano'd forks and rear shock tube and they are now purple in the right light.

Anodizing is incredibly thin ... about .002" average for the toughest/thickest HAIII. Even thinner for the "non hard" anodizing.

PC, ceramic, EN, etc. are many times thicker.
 
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