Surefire 9PLed beampattern vs. Surefire 6P LED with P60l

[Xacto]

Fellow flashaholics,

I think about getting a second Surefire 9P, so that I can EDC my first one (SOP for me to have a second one before I carry it)

So the question is - is the beampattern/hotspot of the Surefire 9PL (P90L) the same as in the Surefire 6PL (P60L)?

Reason:
I have the choice between a Surefire 9P incan for 109 Euro in a local B&M shop or a Surefire 9PL for 119Euro through mailorder. The difference in brightness and runtime is negligible, since the 9P will just be carried for fun. I have a few Surefure 6PL and I am not that fond of the hotspot/beampattern compared with my WolfEyes dropins.

I could imagine that both use the same reflector, but a short search revealed no answer.

Cheers
Thorsten



P.S.: I must admit that I would prefere the one in the B&M store, since that adds the "shooping expericence" to the purchase.

 

[Echo63]

Im pretty sure its the same p60l module in both the 6p led and 9p led, so other than manufacturing/batch differences the runtime/beam profile/ brightness will be similar
Runtime will be better on the 9p though due to the extra battery

Not owning one, i cant say for sure though.

 

[roadie]

the 9pl's beams is the same as the 6pl's ... as the reflector/bezel is the same ..... jus that the 9p with an extra 123a, runtime is longer abit .....

my first sf was the d3, it kept me delighted for many yrs ... but the incan bulb is very unstable ....

if u wish to upgrade the 9p in future, there;s many choices shown here :wave:

 

[shark_za]

There is no such thing at the P90L.
The same P60L module is in the 2 cell or 3 cell lights.

The new KX4 heads are the same too, input voltage is up to 9V.

 

[Xacto]

Thanks for your posts. So I do get this right while there is a P90 lamp assembly, the P60L can be used both with 2 or 3 CR123? I feared that the extra battery could blow the LED assembly. Can I generally take any LED dropin intended for the 6P and put it in a 9P or does this work only with some dropin ins (current wise)


Thanks

Cheers
Thorsten

 

[shark_za]

Every Drop-in has its own voltage range.



Different things happen if you get it wrong, from just overdriving the LED (burnout) to poof! the driver board.


You need to know the voltage range of the drop in driver before you put it into either of those lights.
Even before you put one in with 2xCR123.
Some are only made for 1x Li-ion cell, (4.2v) etc.

 

[Xacto]

Every Drop-in has its own voltage range.[...]

So the P60L is multi cell capable, since it can be used in the 6P and the 9P?.

Cheers
Thorsten

 

[Yoda4561]

Yes, "most" led dropins for surefire lights operate in regulation between 6 and 9 volts. Some may be specialized for running on a single cell or rechargable and will be marketed as such. The P60L is designed to be used in 6 and 9v surefire lights.

 

[Search]

Because I'm confused as hell..

Flashlight:

Incan --
6P - two cr123 / P60 lamp assembly (60 lumens for 1 hour) [Optional P61 lamp assembly (120 lumens for 20 minutes)]
9P - three cr123 / P90 lamp assembly ( 120 lumens for 1 hour) [Optional P91 lamp assembly (200 lumens for 20 minutes)]

LED--
6PL (Old version) - two cr123 / P60L lamp assembly (80 lumens for 4 hours)
6PL (New version) - two cr123 / No lamp assembly - One piece bezel (120 lumens for 2 hours)

LED - Must be pieced together--
9PL (Not sold as is) - three cr123 / P60L lamp assembly (80 lumens for I have no idea but more than 4 hours)

 

[NotRegulated]

If you are happy with the Surefire P60L LED bulb, it seems to me (converting euro to dollars) that, economically, your best deal is the 9PL, as the LED version only costs about $12 US or 10 Euro's more than the 9P incan. The P60L will give you at least three times the runtime of the P90 incan bulb that comes with the 9P incan. However, you will miss out on the "shopping experience"'
.
If you are planning to replace the bulb with an aftermarket LED such as a Malkoff, then you may as well buy the 9P incan, get the "shopping experience" and since it costs less, and put the 10 euros you save toward the new LED.

I for one, have replaced my 9P and 6P flashlights with Malkoff M60's, M61's, M60L's and M60LL's drop ins. However, I still like the Surefire P60L due to its lightweight, smooth beam and ability to fit inside a spares carrier.

 

[Xacto]

[...]The P60L is designed to be used in 6 and 9v surefire lights.

That is good to know, since I already have a few lights with the P60L.

[...]LED - Must be pieced together--
9PL (Not sold as is) - three cr123 / P60L lamp assembly (80 lumens for I have no idea but more than 4 hours)

Seems that this shop is actually doing this. (My main Surefire supplier, unfortunately to far away for paying a visit in person)

If you are happy with the Surefire P60L LED bulb, it seems to me (converting euro to dollars) that,[...]However, you will miss out on the "shopping experience"'
[...]

I was happy with the P60L until I got my first Wolf Eyes D26 dropin.

[...]
If you are planning to replace the bulb with an aftermarket LED such as a Malkoff, then you may as well buy the 9P incan, get the "shopping experience" and since it costs less, and put the 10 euros you save toward the new LED.
[...]

At least that is the option one has with the good old Surefire LEGO concept. For the moment, I think I would go / will go with the stock incan. After all, I EDC a SF6P in the office, the P9 will get some time "in the field" when I go to the supermarket in saturday evenings.

Thanks so far for your posts, I once again learned something new.


Cheers
Thorsten

 

[NotRegulated]

Emotion removed, from an economic standpoint, choose the 6PL over the incan to run in your 9P. By spending the extra 10 euros now, you will break even after only 3 hours of use. (assumption: using Surefire CR123's @ $1.75 each).

But then again, how can you put a price on the incan goodness emanating from the P90 bulb! Invest in two protected AW17500 rechargeable li-on cells and a charger for guilt free incan lumens!

 

[Xacto]

[...]
But then again, how can you put a price on the incan goodness emanating from the P90 bulb![...]

Another good reason for the cheaper one.:thumbsup: Although so far the only Surefire light that needed a new set of batteries was my incan SF6P. Otoh, I started collect just this spring.

Cheers
Thorsten

 

[ebow86]

I don't care too much for my P60L. Very blueish tint and output is lacking. It does project a gorgeous flawless beam though, but that's about all I can say good.