Surefire G2 Flashlight Upgrade for my Brother's B-day

Beaver_2

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Hey guys, my brother's birthday is coming up this month. He's not quite a flashaholic, but he is very interested in flashlights. Right now he has a Surefire G2, with an unmodified setup. He's not a big fan of expensive CR123A batteries, so I was thinking of getting him an LED rechargable kit for his G2.

I found this on ebay, but I dont know if it's any good.

http://cgi.ebay.com/G6-Alpha-USA-LE...yZ106987QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

I would like a kit that has greater than or equal to oringal G2's runtime.

And it has to have greater than or equal to the brightness of the oringal G2.

What do you guys think I should get?
Thanks for your help,
-Beaver_2
 
I for one would not trust anything from that ebay seller. There are some blatant lies in his ebay auctions regarding Lumen output capabilities.

When it comes to Cree LEDs and BINs, there is no way to physically tell the difference between a 4-wire P4/Q2/Q3/Q4/Q5/R2. So honesty, integrity and reputation of the seller/builder is the only thing you have to rely on. That "USA technology" blurb is a load of crap. Cree emitters come from China as well as USA (silver-backed=Chinese, Yellow-backed=USA).

IMHO you are better off picking upgrade parts from Lighthound, Bright-guy or battery junction. I'm pretty sure they sell very similar upgrade parts. I frequently buy from DX for my own personal use. I would never give DX stuff to my brother as a gift, IMHO when it comes to gift-giving you are better off buying from a trusted retailer who is going to stand behind what they sell.

I am very happy with my Solarforce R2-M, you can get them from lighthhound here... its a really throwey module. My tightest thrower by far, compared to the 6090, 11836. I think its lumen output is a little less than that of the 11836 but it will toss out a tight beam a little farther.
http://www.lighthound.com/Solarforc...-R2-LED--Five-Modes-with-Memory_p_6-1634.html

I get about 3.5 hours off cheap Ultrafire RCR123s using its ~50-60 Lumen low mode. Note that on high it generates quite a bit of heat and benefits from as much heat sinking as you can give it. I don't know if the nitrolon bezel of the G2 can dissipate enough heat to keep the LED happy.

Just my thoughts...:twothumbs
 
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+1 to everything that Kramer stated, with the inclusion of the fact that poor quality batteries can be dangerous. I wouldn't trust those no name generics even if they were given to me.

Assembly your kit from pieces from a reputable dealer and avoid disappointment.


Here is a kit for you....
http://www.lighthound.com/Solarforc...-R2-LED--Five-Modes-with-Memory_p_6-1634.html

http://www.lighthound.com/AW-RCR123a-Protected-750-mAh-Battery_p_0-114.html

http://www.lighthound.com/Ultrafire-36-volt-or-3-volt-RCR123-Lithium-Battery-Charger_p_6-2270.html

Use coupon code CPF for 2% discount. Also, orders over $75 are free priority mail shipping, so you might add to it and get yourself something there.
 
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Thanks guys, but are you sure it wouldn't be better just to stick with one 18650 instead of 2xRCR123A for more battery life?
 
Thanks guys, but are you sure it wouldn't be better just to stick with one 18650 instead of 2xRCR123A for more battery life?

Surefires won't fit an 18mm dia cell, they are about 1.5mm too small:ohgeez:. The Aluminum bodied lights need to be bored out, and I dont think its possible to do that with the G2.
 
The G2 can not be upgrade with a high-power led, the led will burn itself to dead :poof: The Surefire P60L has a build temperature control that will reduce the led output, to keep it from burning itself, most other P60 clones does not have this temperature control!

The G2L can, it has an aluminum head for better cooling.
 
The G2 can not be upgrade with a high-power led, the led will burn itself to dead :poof: The Surefire P60L has a build temperature control that will reduce the led output, to keep it from burning itself, most other P60 clones does not have this temperature control!

The G2L can, it has an aluminum head for better cooling.
Okay, so would a lower power LED work for the G2 like this one?

http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.6076
or
http://www.dealextreme.com/feedbacks/BrowseReviews.dx/sku.14442
or this
http://www.dealextreme.com/feedbacks/BrowseReviews.dx/sku.11836
?
Or are they high-powered LEDs too?


Those crenulated bezels look pretty sweet, are they made of the same build quality as the 6P defender? And are they actually helpful when defending yourself?
 
Okay, so would a lower power LED work for the G2 like this one?

http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.6076
or
http://www.dealextreme.com/feedbacks/BrowseReviews.dx/sku.14442
or this
http://www.dealextreme.com/feedbacks/BrowseReviews.dx/sku.11836
?
Or are they high-powered LEDs too?


Those crenulated bezels look pretty sweet, are they made of the same build quality as the 6P defender? And are they actually helpful when defending yourself?

The 11836 needs a LOT of heat sinking, otherwise you'll nuke the emitter. I wouldn't recommend the 11836 in the G2, unless the user has the discipline to refrain from power-on cycles longer than 3-4 minutes at a time. The 14442 has a low mode that does a great job at keeping emitter temps down, but then again it comes down to the responsibility of the user.
 
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They look like high power too.

I do not know about many P60 leds that are guarantee to work in G2.
This one is: http://www.malkoffdevices.com/shop2/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=1_8&products_id=8

Maybe it would be getter to get another P60 host? Maybe a Dereelight CL1H, it is high power and your can get some Dereelight pills that works very well in it. http://www.dereelight.com/cl1hv4.htm
 
The 11836 needs a LOT of heat sinking, otherwise you'll nuke the emitter. I wouldn't recommend the 11836 in the G2, unless the user has the discipline to refrain from power-on cycles longer than 3-4 minutes at a time. The 14442 has a low mode that does a great job at keeping emitter temps down, but then again it comes down to the responsibility of the user.

Krammer5150, on DX you posted a review on the 14442 saying that it worked great with your 6P. Then why wouldn't it work with the G2?
I always thought the 6P/G2 models were just about the same beside the material and price.
 
Krammer5150, on DX you posted a review on the 14442 saying that it worked great with your 6P. Then why wouldn't it work with the G2?
I always thought the 6P/G2 models were just about the same beside the material and price.

The Nitrolon plastic of the G2 is a thermal insulator... it traps thermal energy (heat) inside the light engine. The T6 aluminum of the 6P is a thermal conductor... it conducts/draws thermal energy away from the light engine and radiates it outward from the light. What that means is, the 6P is a GOOD host for both high and low current LED modules while the G2 is not as good. You CAN physically run a high current module in a G2, you just have to be careful not to leave it on for very long or the emitter will overheat, turn dim and potentially suffer permanent damage.
 
M60L or M60LL will have good runtimes and no heat issues.
Either can be ran on rechargable cells like a 17650 but it won't be to the full potential of their brightness or stated runtimes.

All the cheaper ones I can think of are high heat/max brightness ones.
Not too many makers out there thinking about nitrolon hosts or long runtime. Or focused on rechargable cells either for that matter. Well Wolfeyes does think about the rechargable issue but not the low heat or lower output. They make a couple of multi mode ones but I doubt a non flashaholic will be restrained enought to only use the lower output levels, but I don't know your brother either.
 
Here's what I would do with a stock G2.

1 ~ Get an aluminum bezel for it.
2 ~ Get a good LED drop-in to put into the new bezel.
3 ~ Get a Novatac clip (New version might be better, but older one works too).
4 ~ Get a 5/8-inch O-ring. (One that's thick, for plumbing fixtures).

One set-up that's not too costly is a Solarforce bezel, (The one that came with my Solarforce L2 host is a perfect fit on my G2) and a single-mode Solarforce R2 drop-in. (Inexpensive and works well. But the drop-in is too long for the stock G2 bezel, even with the outer spring removed). Then, unscrew the tailcap and place the O-ring below the exposed threads on the barrel of the light. Now take the clip and place it on top of the O-ring. Now just screw the tailcap back down.

Your brother now has a new & improved G2. The Aluminum head will be better at heat dissipation. The LED drop-in will be better for runtime and brightness. The Novatac clip fits perfectly over the barrel of the Surefire 6P and G2 models, for bezel-down carry. (But the 5/8-inch O-ring is a must. And trust me, you want one that is thick and designed for plumbing fixtures. Otherwise the clip won't be tight against the G2 body, unless you screw the tailcap down to the point where the light turns on in constant-on mode; making the clip useless). O-ring can be found at Wal-Mart or any hardware store.

The Novatac clips also come with a lanyard hole. A nice feature.

Here are some links that will help....

http://www.lighthound.com/search.asp?keyword=Novatac+clip&search=GO

http://www.lighthound.com/search.asp?keyword=Solarforce+bezel&search=GO

http://www.lighthound.com/search.asp?keyword=Solarforce+LC-1&search=GO
 
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I like monocrom's idea of an upgraded aluminum bezel. That gives you a much more practical option for high output drop-ins.
 
I have a SS one up for sale.......
Nah he doesn't want that.

Running the brightest/hottest drop-in's benefit more from metal bodies than from metal heads.
 
My personal opinion to follow:

1. buy the 11836 as others have suggested.
2. Buy an AW brand 17670 (or 2, if you want a spare) and a charger for it/them (DSD, WF-139, Pila IBC if you are willing.)
3. If you want to, you could pick up an aluminum bezel for it, but it's not totally necessary with this setup and here's why:

The 11836 uses a buck regulation circuit that needs 4.5V or more (haven't determined exact V requirement for regulation but it is at least 4.5V or higher) to run in full regulation. Below that, the module operates at a much more conservative drive level and produces a lot less heat.

Here are some of my observations:

In a brinkman Maxfire on an 18650 (I bored it), the 11836 starts off around 0.5A draw. That's less than 2 watts of power consumption. The module is still very respectably bright at this drive level. Since it is being driven less hard, it will not get as hot. I ran it for ~5-10 minutes straight the other day, pulled the module out to feel how hot it was, and it was only warm to the touch.

Since it will be basically direct driving the LED with some voltage drop from the regulator, the power consumption will drop as the battery depletes, this will further reduce the amount of heat generated by the module as it runs.

I don't normally recommend configurations like this with non-regulated diminishing output through the run. But in the case of Polomer body lights, you are confronted with a few options and obstacles....

1. A malkoff low output module will work with regulation on 2xRCR123s, or with diminishing output on 1x17670, but is probably more than you want to spend on a gift, and it's worth more than the G2 it's going into.

2. A SureFire P60L will work, as it's thermally regulated, but it's not the most efficient option as it's still using the original Seoul P4. Not very impressive output for the power consumption. This one will work on either 2xRCR123s or 17670s, operating below regulated level on a 17670. Again, this option costs more than the G2 it is going into.

3. A multi-mode LED module, combined with a user who understands and respects the thermal limitations of the module and self imposes runtime restrictions on using the higher modes to prevent overheating. (not practical for a gift or non-flashaholic).

4. A buck regulated single mode module that runs at a nice conservative diminishing level on 1x17670. This is the cheapest and most practical option for a gifted module intended for a polymer bodied light. The output of the 11836 on a 17670 still beats the P60L on 2xRCR123s, and it runs at similar or less power.


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This concept has inspired me to do some further testing on the 11836 on an 18650 (in your case, it will be a 17670, but the 18650 will theoretically push it slightly harder and hold the output up longer)...

I'm going to get out a temp gage and run this thing from a fresh cell for a good while and test the temperature and power draw periodically. I'll report my findings in this thread.

Eric
 
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