True cost to run EV like paying $17.33 per gallon if not for $22 billion in government subsidies.

[Monocrom]

And this has me very worried. Now that my mother passed, I can't use being her caretaker as an excuse to get out of serving.

No worries, they're not going to take either of us based on our ages. Nations want strong, healthy young men (how much crap do they have to march with for 867 miles per day? Right around 1,712 pounds in their rucksacks? Sounds about right), who are mentally and easily manipulated with words such as Duty, Honor, and Glory. Recruiters during WWII looked the other way if an 18 year-old was clearly a pimply-faced 15 year-old lying about his age. When the military machine needed more men, they were happy to take boys to thicken up the broth.

Don't get me wrong, I don't despise the military. Just some of its practices. If you're a young, generally fit, male who was born into crippling poverty; you joined Uncle Sam's family if you wanted to genuinely improve your lot in Life. To this day, that holds true.

 

[Monocrom]

Thanks for the compliments. I do try to see both sides in a debate....

You're Welcome, and it is appreciated.

The biggest issue overall as I see it isn't a lack of buses or subways. But that the City runs tax-payer funded Public Transportation as if it's a For-Profit business. Oh, this neighborhood only has two bus lines going through it and no subway service because the numbers say fewer people take public transportation there than drive.

Not realizing that the very reason why car ownership in certain neighborhoods is higher is because the City has under-funded public transport in that very neighborhood! It's not a customer business. It's a tax-payer funded service! Not as though city bus service will go bankrupt if you put another bus-line in under serviced neighborhoods AND provide better service on weekends. Oh! But it will mean that the next time taxes are raised in NYC, our corrupt politicians will have to shove a few less millions into their personal pockets to improve services.

 

[Monocrom]

You can't really read man....

Oh, I can read. And I can read you like an open book. Hypocrisy, splitting hairs, and pretending that doing so is somehow a perfectly good intellectual arguement. Yeah, no. Your posts speak for themselves. I do appreciate the comic relief you've brought to this topic. I legitimately do. In under 100 posts you've become the laughing stock of CPF. That is an incredible accomplishment. It truly is. You're like a Dollar Store knock-off of mrfixitman. Credit where its due, at least he doesn't pretend he didn't say something in a previous post in the very same topic that he actually did. Unlike you. I'm done with you. But please continue embarassing yourself for everyone else's amusement.

 

[Monocrom]

...they don't believe me and say I am an EV shill.

If we're being blatantly honest, your posts in this very topic say you're an EV shill. Along with the fact that whenever someone makes an excellent counter-point to anything you bring up, you just ignore it and continue on with the same rhetoric only worded differently. I mean did you think no one would notice? At least thank weekend warrior for making your posts look good by comparison to the hilarious things he's spewed in this topic.

 

[KITROBASKIN]

Raise your hand if you think it was overall good that in the past, government mandated cars to be safer, get better gas mileage and much less polluting.

But golly gee monkey tree, that sure was annoying when seat belts had to be buckled or the car would not start, and interstate highway speed limits were 55 miles per hour!

Maybe EV mandates will be adjusted as zero year approaches? Or it just makes sense by then to go the electric way. Or something else over the horizon?

I had such high hopes for weekend warrior to present the other side in a more effective way.

 

[KITROBASKIN]

Thanks mrfixitman for that link about diesel fumes.

 

[Bimmerboy]

While I don't enjoy driving behind diesel vehicles at times, and will pass them due to the fumes and smell, I give each and every one of them praise for raising my standard of living, and life expectancy.

Some food for thought.

 

[bykfixer]

Mark Twain said "never argue with an idiot. Onlookers might not be able to tell the difference.

Meanwhile: back to our cage match.....

 

[Toulouse42]

And this has me very worried. Now that my mother passed, I can't use being her caretaker as an excuse to get out of serving.

jtr - I lost my father exactly 6 years ago today and my mother a year later. I was lucky in the sense that I had two sisters to share the burden of caring for them. If I have read your posts correctly, you have had to do this on your own. You have been a good carer and decent human being. Trust me when I say that the pain will lessen over time.

You won't be called up. If they need people in their 60's then we are in bigger trouble than I thought. If war happens now them my children will have to go. If it happens in 20 years then my grandchildren will be called up. I don't fear for me but for those that need me. A previous poster (I don't recall who) said that you should now take the time to go out and see the beauty of the world. Have a coffee with a friend, and generally give yourself a break. I second that. Look after yourself.

 

[Chauncey Gardener]

..... they don't believe me and say I am an EV shill. ........ Destroying their children's brains with diesel doesn't seem to bother them.

When someone ignores valid positions as much as you do, well, sir, it's difficult to consider them anything other than a shill. Either a shill or disingenuous at best.

Such nonsense as this 👆 doesn't gain you credence or respect.

There you go doing the same thing you accuse me of. Your points are based on your own biased fear. They are valid in your mind, but not in reality. I base my beliefs on facts. I know for sure your's are wrong so I can't give them credence or respect. There are not alternate facts. 2+2 will always be 4. https://ehjournal.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12940-023-00961-4 This is something everyone should worry about. Instead you bring up the freedom to do as you wish. Sheesh!

It's hard for me to believe that mrfixitman is so obtuse he didn't comprehend I was calling out the second half of his sentence - "doesn't seem to bother them." Nevertheless, it does appear he should be given the benefit of the doubt.

It seems to me we here at CPF are divided into two camps on the subject of EVs.

The majority are of the mindset - If an EV meets an individual's needs, by all means, go ahead and purchase one. More power to you. 😁 However, the power of government should not be abused to force them on all new car buyers.

The minority are of the mindset - No one should be allowed to purchase a new ICE vehicle. We know what is best for everyone. Those ICE guys don't care about science, Mother Earth, or their children.

The same type of self-garnered superiority was on full display during the COVID period. "YOU'RE KILLING GRANDMA BY REFUSING TO TAKE THE JAB AND WEAR TWO MASKS!"

 

[bykfixer]

The difference CG is the covid thread lasted minutes, sometimes hours depending on who started it. Won't go there.

EV threads are generally allowed to run their course and prove how well CPF members in general police themselves.

 

[Chauncey Gardener]

The difference CG is the covid thread lasted minutes, sometimes hours depending on who started it. Won't go there.

EV threads are generally allowed to run their course and prove how well CPF members in general police themselves.

Thanks for the gentle caution, bykfixer. Since I've stated my opinions and don't think I have anything worthwhile to add to this thread, I'll show myself to the door. 🫥

 

[bykfixer]

Your posts are the only ones I read anymore in that one. I did read the Kestrel post the other day too.

 

[mrfixitman]

Oh, I can read. And I can read you like an open book. Hypocrisy, splitting hairs, and pretending that doing so is somehow a perfectly good intellectual arguement. Yeah, no. Your posts speak for themselves. I do appreciate the comic relief you've brought to this topic. I legitimately do. In under 100 posts you've become the laughing stock of CPF. That is an incredible accomplishment. It truly is. You're like a Dollar Store knock-off of mrfixitman. Credit where its due, at least he doesn't pretend he didn't say something in a previous post in the very same topic that he actually did. Unlike you. I'm done with you. But please continue embarassing yourself for everyone else's amusement.

Hey, my ears are burning.

 

[mrfixitman]

It's hard for me to believe that mrfixitman is so obtuse he didn't comprehend I was calling out the second half of his sentence - "doesn't seem to bother them." Nevertheless, it does appear he should be given the benefit of the doubt.

It seems to me we here at CPF are divided into two camps on the subject of EVs.

The majority are of the mindset - If an EV meets an individual's needs, by all means, go ahead and purchase one. More power to you. 😁 However, the power of government should not be abused to force them on all new car buyers.

The minority are of the mindset - No one should be allowed to purchase a new ICE vehicle. We know what is best for everyone. Those ICE guys don't care about science, Mother Earth, or their children.

The same type of self-garnered superiority was on full display during the COVID period. "YOU'RE KILLING GRANDMA BY REFUSING TO TAKE THE JAB AND WEAR TWO MASKS!"

No matter what the two camps say, ICE vehicles can't meet emissions standards and at some point will not be salable for this reason. Therefore what meets the standards is what will be available. That is the reality. Not tomorrow but in the next decade. Silver lining. A lot of smart people are working hard to bring affordable and thrifty vehicles to market. If you can't wait here is where you can go to build your own: DIYElectricCar.com Topics for today are full tube rock crawler built with Nissan Leaf parts. Ford F150 conversation using Tesla drive train. Porsche, Isuzu and a pleathora of other combinations. A CPF for electric cars. Almost the same. A big flashlight with wheels that runs on batteries, can you relate now! EVs are just big flashlights.

 

[mrfixitman]

The same type of self-garnered superiority was on full display during the COVID period. "YOU'RE KILLING GRANDMA BY REFUSING TO TAKE THE JAB AND WEAR TWO MASKS!"

My dead brother and aunt resemble that remark. Out of caution I got the jab and mask. I was also banned from work without them. My 93 year old mother in law, with which I have close contact, is still healthy. I or she never caught it. My conservative brother still can't taste anything. But he was a Semi pro athlete and in good shape. As is his son who said to me masks don't matter, after he gave COVID to his COPD uncle, He was weak. Couldn't be helped. Too bad. That's some cold family business. EV stuff is small potato compared to death.

 

[alpg88]

Electric vehicles release more toxic emissions, are worse for the environment than gas-powered cars: study

EVs release more toxic emissions, are worse for the environment: study

nypost.com

 

[Monocrom]

Raise your hand if you think it was overall good that in the past, government mandated cars to be safer, get better gas mileage and much less polluting.

But golly gee monkey tree, that sure was annoying when seat belts had to be buckled or the car would not start, and interstate highway speed limits were 55 miles per hour!

Maybe EV mandates will be adjusted as zero year approaches? Or it just makes sense by then to go the electric way. Or something else over the horizon?

I had such high hopes for weekend warrior to present the other side in a more effective way.

You know what the real irony is.... I did too.
There have definitely been government mandates over the decades.
Some made sense, some didn't. Yet, even with car mandates....
Can't recall a single politician wanting to outlaw a type of vehicle.
We can split hairs (Let's not). But that's what it boils down to.
That's unprecedented in America.

Cars must be safer. Capable of better mileage. Less pollution.
Mandatory seat-belts and air bags. Yes all of it! But....
Very next day each new Federal law was passed, you could still go out and buy a car with an internal combustion engine.

No politician was corrupt enough, demented enough, nor insane off their backside as to basically BAN certain types of cars in the near future.

As far as diesel fumes are concerned, they're a whole heck of a lot less dangerous than what an EV can give off....


But okay, more outdoor charging stations is a good thing.
And, electricity is supposed to be cheaper than gas if you need to use an outdoor charging station....

 

[KITROBASKIN]

Definitely do not inhale EV battery products of combustion. Super not good. Does not happen very often. Even the safer LFP batteries...

Chemical Hazards Associated with Lithium Iron Phosphate Battery in Homes

These batteries have a range of benefits including high energy density, low self-discharge rate, long cycle life, and the ability to handle high current discharge.

www.franklinwh.com

 

[RWT1405]

Definitely do not inhale EV battery products of combustion. Super not good. Does not happen very often. Even the safer LFP batteries...

Chemical Hazards Associated with Lithium Iron Phosphate Battery in Homes

These batteries have a range of benefits including high energy density, low self-discharge rate, long cycle life, and the ability to handle high current discharge.

www.franklinwh.com

Inhalation injuries from Lithium-Ion Batteries was being discussed on the American Burn Associations - ABLS Instructors group (Advanced Burn Life Support, which I am an Instructor).

Most have no idea of the potential hazards presented by Lithium-Ion batteries.

The below info was presented during ABA - ABLS Instructor group discussion and provides a good overview of potential problems.