Two HID Bulbs in 1 reflector?

Flashanator

Flashlight Enthusiast
Joined
Jan 19, 2007
Messages
1,203
Location
The 11th Dimension
Hi,

I want to fit 2 automotive HID bulbs in a single ~5inch Reflector.

My aim is to have 1 bulb for high beam (throw) & 1 bulb for low beam. (close flood)

something like this.





Maybe I could add some thin metal pieces to angle the light on the 2nd bulb so it all the light gets shined close in front.

Any ideas & input is needed. thanks.
 
I believe it would be too difficult to fit two HID lamps in the same reflector. However, you could use one HID lamp and move it forwards and backwards (with a slight tilt) to change the focus points and create your two desired beam profiles. Most dual-filament headlamps have unique reflector profiles that has two different focal points. One reflector profile may focus or even diffuse the light a bit (for a low beam) at one focal point, then create a pencil thin beam (high beam) using another. This dual-filament design is imitated in some expensive HID retrofit kits that have both high and low beams using a single HID lamp and reflector. I thought of doing something similar with my LED headlight project, but I am waiting on the ideal LED emitter yet.

Unfortunately, this would be an illegal mod (for "off-road use only"). Actually, it could be dangerous since these standard headlights designed for dual-filament halogen bulbs may not focus properly with a crudely focused HID lamp. The glare could be blinding for oncoming traffic. If you are totally serious, I would closely study and measure the focal points of your headlight assembly (for the correct beam profile), and the exact location of each filament in you original stock halogen bulb (the one specifically designed to work with your headlight assembly). Even an incorrectly focused high-output halogen lamp could be as dangerous. If you can create a precise track system that slid and tilted the HID lamp to mimic the halogen dual filament bulb, then you might be able to get away with it safely after testing for safety afterwards. This is what I intend to do with an LED if I use the standard reflector assembly. The bulb can move along the carefully machined tracks if you use a servo mechanism or geared motor, a solenoid, a push-pull cable, etc. Make sure it is designed for long life in case it gets stuck in the "high" beam mode at an unsafe moment.

To make it easier on yourself, I would recommend just upgrading to a aftermarket projector headlight assembly. I mean the ones using an elliptical reflector mated with a condensor lens (like an aspheric lens). These are usually safer because glare is controlled better due to a built in shutter that creates the perfect vertical cutoff. For me, if I cannot get a modern "side-emitting" LED emitter that could match the light radiation pattern of a standard light bulb (which is what most shallow reflectors are designed for), then I may try to find a HID projector assembly and retrofit it with the standard LED instead. This would be safer, and the beam would be a bit more predictable.

I hope I was helpful. I guess that if you are looking for a cheap and quick fix, then please do not continue for the sakes of the other nighttime drivers. I really get angry when I get blinded by the ignorant people who place cheap or improper HID lamps in their old headlight assembly. The glare is terribly distracting, and sometimes blinding (even on split highways). With some time and careful measurement, you could make a simple, but precise mechanism that could do what you want for not too much money (if you are resourceful).

Cheers,
-Tony
 
Thanks for the advice.

I should I stated, Its for off road only with a trail bike I had in mind.

I might just experiment with some reflectors, I have a few H3 & H7 HID Bulbs to work with.

Any ideas on some heat resistant glue that could hold a plastic HID bulb to the metal reflector?

Thanks.
 
Last edited:
I am glad it is for a trail bike as I know we may see pictures of the results sooner. If it was for a road legal vehicle, it would be a lot of work to make it safe and durable. For use as a trail bike, then actually your ideas are viable. I just understood your last diagram, and it would make sense. The side-mounted bulb would give a nice floody beam even if you cannot get it well focused. I am not sure about glues that would hold up that long. You will have a bumpy ride, and you will need a lot of contact area for a glue to hold up. What about making a simple sheet metal mount and bolt it to the reflector, or the chassis holding the reflector?

Consider a crude sliding mechanism still. A simple lever or a push-pull device using a bicycle brake cable could be used to give your different focuses without moving your hand in a complex manner while riding. A mechanical focusing system may be pretty cheap and easy to build, and it won't need to be super precise.

Look at basic aftermarket headlight enclosures meant to have replaceable bulbs (like the H7). These have the unique reflector pattern/profile you see on your typical sealed beam lamp (meant for dual-filament bulbs), but you can use any lamp you desire. They come in many sizes, including your rectangle shapes (seen on older trucks, or the smaller ones on some dual or quad headlamp cars). I did see a couple round lamps used for Jeeps, and maybe for motorcycles. I checked ebay an grinned and bared the wait and slight lack in trust in the seller, but I did get a nice pair of lights at the end. They aren't too expensive, but not dirt cheap, either. Just search for "Euro" or "Composite" headlamps and try to watch pictures so you do not buy a set of sealed beams. Pardon my grammar as it is very early here and I am tired!

-Tony
 
Last edited:
Why don't you retrofit a bixenon projector from a Acura TL or Lexus LS430? Bixenon projectors use a solenoid to move the cutoff shield and allow low beam and high beam actuation with one HID D2R bulb. You just need a 12 volt power supply and basic electrical knowledge with fuses and relays.

I've retrofited bixenon projectors in my older lexus, and they work like a charm.
 
Thanks for the advice guys.

I want to try & use 2 bulbs, as riding a bike fast through trails in pitch black is too hard with one hid light source. You have to strain your eyes to see upcoming hazards. But 2 going at once would be perfect for close range & long range.
 
Apexcone's H4, H13, 9004 and 9007 kits are available in both single (low) beam and in high/low kits allowing use of both high beams and low beams. The hi/lo kits uses a selenoid to alter the HID capsule's focus point.

From

http://www.understeer.com/onlinestore-lighting.shtml

You can have the best of both worlds from what it looks like, with one simple bulb for $145.00 and 55w ballest(slim) at 4500k. Are you trying to keep both lit at once?
 
Yea i need both lit as one lamp isnt enough. i need both distinct beam patterns at once.

i have decided just to use two small reflectors.
 
Flash,

I was looking at bulbs.... http://www.aape.biz/File/Product/B4029.jpg . I just wonder how they work the wiring with these, they would have to use a set of wires to light one and then the other. If you can take the wiring apart and just run a balest into one pair(for the hi side and low side) of wires and another in the other you would be set and only have to use one bulb. What do you think?

Drew
 
Last edited:
Top