Wanted: 2,000 lumen M*g Mod -- MUST BE IDIOT PROOF -- LOW " TINKER FACTOR"

[gratewhitehuntr]

So my friend saw my ROP mod and wants something similar for paint ball.

He intends to use this in total dark to blind the enemy.

There is no interest in causing eye damage so we have settled on 2,000 lumens as a fairly safe number.

The only problem is that this guy is not a hobbyist, not a tinkerer, not a "gee let's take it apart and see how it works" kinda guy.

He wants turnkey.

I've read lots and lots about this mod or that one but no one ever mentions how "bullet proof" something is, just how bright.

We would like to stay under $300 and 3 D is the max size.

BTW, where the hell can I get a KUI socket? the thread is closed.

 

[Carpenter]

Re: Wanted: 2,000 lumen M*g Mod -- MUST BE IDIOT PROOF -- LOW " TINKER FACTOR"

Wow.

I don't play paintball, but 2,000 lumens seems like a lot to disorient an opponent. Depending on distance between the light and the opponent, 2,000 may cause some eye damage.

My 2 cents,

Back it down to an ROP. Low tinker factor. Just gotta keep the batteries charged. 250-300 lumens with low bulb and 400-500 w/ high bulb. Or maybe a SureFire G3 or 9P with P91 bulb. 200 lumens for 20 minutes.

That should be more than enough to let your friend get a shot off while the opponent is trying to figure out whats going on.

Also, again not knowing about paintball, is your friend willing to have his light become multi-colored with different colored paint or does this paint come out in the wash?

Good luck in your search.

BTW - Let me know if you want to go G3 - "Shameless Plug" - I got one for sale with P91 right now.

 

[gratewhitehuntr]

Re: Wanted: 2,000 lumen M*g Mod -- MUST BE IDIOT PROOF -- LOW " TINKER FACTOR"

Range should be 50 feet or more.

He was asking me earlier if I thought someone could build a switch that would run on Bluetooth.

I guess his trigger activates the hopper via Bluetooth.

We played a little with the ROP HI and he decided it wasn't close enough to a Q-Beam to justify the switch.

 

[Carpenter]

Re: Wanted: 2,000 lumen M*g Mod -- MUST BE IDIOT PROOF -- LOW " TINKER FACTOR"

Any of the above light I mentioned can do over 50 feet. I have never seen a light that activates via bluetooth. If they make one, that makes me want to start looking into Bluetooth myself

I'm thinking you need something light that can by fastened to the paint-gun. Something heavy like a Mag body might mess your friend up. Also with this setup since I don't know about Bluetooth the next best thing is a pressure switch put on the side of the gun.

Again, I'm not the expert, but maybe something like a SureFire X300 with pressure switch. It comes in just under $300. I'm sure there are other solutions, and I'm sure somebody with more experience will have a better answer than this.

Another thought.. does a paint gun have any recoil. Depending on how much recoil the gun has, you may need to add that to your buying decision as recoil and some incan bulbs don't go well together.

 

[nitnapz]

Re: Wanted: 2,000 lumen M*g Mod -- MUST BE IDIOT PROOF -- LOW " TINKER FACTOR"

my input

a mag85 would run for less than an hour on the typical battery source, so i would say go higher than 500lumen with leds. you could find a mag with a shorter profile with multiple reflectors, that would provide you with a steady amount of light and nice and white and much lighter than a heavy M85.

donshock may still have a 2d mag in the 200 range, that should give you a nice 600+ lumen.

2000 lumen would suck on batteries. unless you grabber a boxer24watt hid, which i think bulb lumen is 1800+ to 2000 or so lumen .. higher 300 range

 

[jimjones3630]

Re: Wanted: 2,000 lumen M*g Mod -- MUST BE IDIOT PROOF -- LOW " TINKER FACTOR"

if your looking for 2000 lumen out the window torch lumens then

64610 50w, 1879tlumen out the window at 14.3vbulb, have one in a 5xA123, or 11 cell 1500mah pak in 2D M@g

64430 35w, 2166tlumen out the window at 9.6vbulb. 4C or 3D host with 3XA123. Requires fairly new battery charger for A123's which several do have programs for A123.

5761 30w,1351blumen ,878tlumen out the window and blinds me when accidently flashed in eyes. Has more output with 2xA123, noticable brighter. fits in 3C small form factor.

keep an eye on B/S/T.

64430 or rather it's tungsram subsitute 56580, orsram quit making 64430, is white white color and when run on A123 has flat discharge curve. Ran one continous for IIRC 20min. could still hold on to it by the tailcap. 56580 instantflashed at 10.8v. and ran fine vbat. 10.4. bulb pulls the pak down nicely. last measurement last night 9.98vbat, 9.45vbulb and that was in AW driver which it does not need soft start function. AW current drive is not v in-v out. waiting for that to come out.

 

[jimjones3630]

Re: Wanted: 2,000 lumen M*g Mod -- MUST BE IDIOT PROOF -- LOW " TINKER FACTOR"

lumens quoted above are from AWRs hotrater.

http://www.cpfmarketplace.com/mp/showthread.php?t=91180

you might post a want to buy in B/S/T for kiu socket or wait have heard Northern Lights is going to make available his G4 & G6.35 bipin adaptors.

 

[nitnapz]

Re: Wanted: 2,000 lumen M*g Mod -- MUST BE IDIOT PROOF -- LOW " TINKER FACTOR"

64430 35w, 2166tlumen out the window at 9.6vbulb. 4C

this looks attractive. could be used with AW's C s ? what would the runtime look like, how much current would the bulb drain ?

on a sidenote. i am in the process of acquiring an USL, which bulbs could be interchangable with the one to provide a decent runtime, or am i better off leaving the 100W bulb in there and build a second light, that would provide better battery life .. thanks


regards

 

[gratewhitehuntr]

Re: Wanted: 2,000 lumen M*g Mod -- MUST BE IDIOT PROOF -- LOW " TINKER FACTOR"

no recoil to speak of on paintball guns.
besides, his fires 41 balls per second
(so he claims, lets not get into a pissing match over rate of fire)

we are looking to light up the whole woods for short bursts, maybe 1 min at a time.
20 mins total run time would be fine

IIRC the 5761 only gets about 900-1000 and has problems

a bored 3 D would be 12 AA's or 14.4
I thought there were some Osram bulbs that ran around there and were fairly solid. No?

What sort of cost are we looking at to bore?

 

[Pöbel]

Re: Wanted: 2,000 lumen M*g Mod -- MUST BE IDIOT PROOF -- LOW " TINKER FACTOR"

the question is how long he's going to like the light being at least twice as heavy as his Ego7

 

[DrifT3R]

Re: Wanted: 2,000 lumen M*g Mod -- MUST BE IDIOT PROOF -- LOW " TINKER FACTOR"

100 lumens in total dark is more than enough to temporarily blind someone.

 

[thezman]

Re: Wanted: 2,000 lumen M*g Mod -- MUST BE IDIOT PROOF -- LOW " TINKER FACTOR"

BTW, where the hell can I get a KUI socket? the thread is closed.

Kiu sockets

 

[Nitro]

Re: Wanted: 2,000 lumen M*g Mod -- MUST BE IDIOT PROOF -- LOW " TINKER FACTOR"

I'd go with a Mag85 3C with AW's LiIon's cells. That's ~1200 bulb lumens and ~850 out the front, for ~60mins. Very bright white light.

Check out the "Got Throw?" link in my sig for pics and beamshots.

 

[LuxLuthor]

Re: Wanted: 2,000 lumen M*g Mod -- MUST BE IDIOT PROOF -- LOW " TINKER FACTOR"

this looks attractive. could be used with AW's C s ? what would the runtime look like, how much current would the bulb drain ?

No. This is a high current bulb, using 7 to 8 Amps which overdriven to its optimum of 9.6 to 9.9 Volts. AW's PTC current breaks the circuit at 5.5A which is why it is better to use 3 x Emoli Lithium cells or A123 Lithium cells. Both use the newer safe Lithium chemistries, and have much higher current ratings and no protection circuit.

Another solution is to use 8 or 9 of the new Elite 1700mAh AA cells from cheapbatterypacks.com or 2/3A Elite 1500mAh cells....but then you need a Hotdriver, or hopefully AW is getting closer to his version.

 

[nitnapz]

Re: Wanted: 2,000 lumen M*g Mod -- MUST BE IDIOT PROOF -- LOW " TINKER FACTOR"

3 x Emoli Lithium cells or A123 Lithium cells

awesome, thanks - i think i now have my 5th build planned out.
mag4c 3xemoliosram 35w

 

[Raoul_Duke]

Re: Wanted: 2,000 lumen M*g Mod -- MUST BE IDIOT PROOF -- LOW " TINKER FACTOR"

Not sure you will get 3 emoli in a 4C. about 10mm to long from memory. You may be able to chop up/ replace the switch to make more room. You might fit them into a 3D with no spring in the tailcap.

A123's will fit. I think Jim jones made a nice 4C with 3 A123's.

Also what Ozram lamp would you plan to use?

4 Emoli in a 6C is nice, ( But the 6C is getting harder to find) I have built one and use a variety of 12V ozram lamps inc. the 64623, but they are real tight, although I hear C mags have some internal variation.

 

[jimjones3630]

Re: Wanted: 2,000 lumen M*g Mod -- MUST BE IDIOT PROOF -- LOW " TINKER FACTOR"

64430 which is out of production and it's subsitute tungsram 56580 both draw around 7.5A so AW's C's wouldn't work even with an NTC.

USL bulb is G6.35 100w bulb. I like Osram 64610 50W, white white color and about twice run time.

this looks attractive. could be used with AW's C s ? what would the runtime look like, how much current would the bulb drain ?

on a sidenote. i am in the process of acquiring an USL, which bulbs could be interchangable with the one to provide a decent runtime, or am i better off leaving the 100W bulb in there and build a second light, that would provide better battery life .. thanks


regards

 

[jimjones3630]

Re: Wanted: 2,000 lumen M*g Mod -- MUST BE IDIOT PROOF -- LOW " TINKER FACTOR"

5761 is 900-1000 out the window lumens or torch lumens. runs on 2 AW C cells for about 30min. run.

14.4v pak rested 62138 100w bulb, or 64623 100w with runtime 10=12 min.

To light up the whole woods think maybe 64625 but it's a 11 cell bulb.

no recoil to speak of on paintball guns.
besides, his fires 41 balls per second
(so he claims, lets not get into a pissing match over rate of fire)

we are looking to light up the whole woods for short bursts, maybe 1 min at a time.
20 mins total run time would be fine

IIRC the 5761 only gets about 900-1000 and has problems

a bored 3 D would be 12 AA's or 14.4
I thought there were some Osram bulbs that ran around there and were fairly solid. No?

What sort of cost are we looking at to bore?

 

[gratewhitehuntr]

Re: Wanted: 2,000 lumen M*g Mod -- MUST BE IDIOT PROOF -- LOW " TINKER FACTOR"

5761 is 900-1000 out the window lumens or torch lumens. runs on 2 AW C cells for about 30min. run.

14.4v pak rested 62138 100w bulb, or 64623 100w with runtime 10=12 min.

To light up the whole woods think maybe 64625 but it's a 11 cell bulb.

I just ordered a KIU socket for my 6 D mag.

I'll see how the 5761 works if I can find a damn voltage regulator.

I just got your PM. What did you have for sale again?

 

[jimjones3630]

Re: Wanted: 2,000 lumen M*g Mod -- MUST BE IDIOT PROOF -- LOW " TINKER FACTOR"

Yes 3 emoli in a 4C would need extender of some kind, 3 A123 2300mah fit 4C nicely with Northern Lights tailcap mod. Emoli nominal votage is 4.2v and A123 3.3v so 4 emoli = 16.8v and will sag some on start up thus 64623 would be blazing.

3 A123 in 3D, mine anyway, come with in few mm of end just enough to screw tailcap on again with Northern Lights wonderful tailcap mod.

3 emoli 3000mah in a 4C, 12.6v nominal would power up 64610 50W of bright white white light for over 30-35min. and over twice the lumens of 1185.

Not sure you will get 3 emoli in a 4C. about 10mm to long from memory. You may be able to chop up/ replace the switch to make more room. You might fit them into a 3D with no spring in the tailcap.

A123's will fit. I think Jim jones made a nice 4C with 3 A123's.

Also what Ozram lamp would you plan to use?

4 Emoli in a 6C is nice, ( But the 6C is getting harder to find) I have built one and use a variety of 12V ozram lamps inc. the 64623, but they are real tight, although I hear C mags have some internal variation.