NEW OLIGHT M20 WARRIOR

[jirik_cz]

TK10:
- little bit heavier and feels more solid

M20
- nice spring loaded pin in tailcap
- low quality o-rings

Other things like threads, anodization, lens, reflector etc. seems absolutely comparable

So in my eyes it is still 1:1 :naughty:

 

[divine]

I just recived a Jetbeam Jet-III Pro Ultra and it is a very nice flashlight, but should I have waited on the M20?

Any big pro or cons about the Jet-III?

IMO, the Sapphire lens in the Jet is tough to compete with. The Olight will not allow you to program modes... You can program the Jet without a strobe. You will have regulated output with an 18650, but can't use primaries in the light.

The lights seem to be very close to each other in brightness and quality.

 

[divine]

The M20 Green is more greenish/tannish/grayish - not GREEN. More light green/beige with some gray to it.

Thanks for your support!

It looks like a natural finish to my eye.

 

[MattK]

yup - sorta HA natural with a green tint

 

[StandardBattery]

Does anyone else here think that the 'last-mode memory' feature actually removes the M20 from fitting the typical definition of a tactical light for security forces? They want, and seem to need, guaranteed MAX on activation.

What am I missing with Olight targeting tactical usage for this light?

 

[MattK]

The memory mode guarantees that you'll have the desired level/mode on activation - that's precisely why the memory mode exists.

If you leave it on MAX as the memorized level it will be, "guaranteed MAX on activation." You would purposely have to change the memorized level/mode to have a different result.

Also, any tactical user doing a forced entry or similar is most definitely going to check their memorized output mode/level just as surely as they'll make sure they've got a round chambered in their weapon.

 

[Gator762]

Fair enough, looking forward to some runtime graphs on different levels with with 18650 compared to 2xcr123.

Me too!

I'd rather have 1-1.5 hours of dependable, I know high is high, over 2.5 hours of unregulated output. That's what the lower modes are for, when I don't need high.

phantom23 was good enough to provide an 18650 runtime graph earlier.

 

[MiniLux]

While talking of quality ....
As to my experience I don't think it does really fit the promotionally induced 'hard to take' military image at all:
mine dropped out of my pocket for about 50 cm on the kitchen floor (when getting up from the seat) and didn't work right afterwards for level changes (fully erratically changes on CR/RCR123, just working opposite on 18650, having to twist bezel down for changes, losing it for keeping)
Wouldn't have mind if this had happened with a 25$ DX light, but to my opinion this is completely unacceptable for a >100$ 'high quality' light :scowl:
I've contacted the CS from Battery Junction and they asked me to send the light back on RMA for an exchange.
Will send it back on monday and then seeing forward as for the result....

MiniLux

 

[StandardBattery]

The memory mode guarantees that you'll have the desired level/mode on activation - that's precisely why the memory mode exists.

Not exactly, memory mode guarantees 'last' level, and as you point out it is up to the customer to guarantee last=desired.

I do agree that equipment checks would always be done before specific operations, and hopefully before a shift, but *** happens and once the day has started it happens more. The modes are there and if they are used, it is then up to the customer to remember and get it back, Tactical lights are suppose to prevent accidents with a desired consistent operation. In this light mode-change is equal memory-change and I'm thinking it's not going to fly.

Well it's just my opinion, and maybe I'm totally wrong as I can't believe I'm the only one who has raised the issue.

Any LEO or military personnel care to comment?

 

[shomie911]

Me too!

I'd rather have 1-1.5 hours of dependable, I know high is high, over 2.5 hours of unregulated output. That's what the lower modes are for, when I don't need high.

phantom23 was good enough to provide an 18650 runtime graph earlier.

Believe me, the light dims over the course of its 3 hour runtime, but it isn't all that noticeable in actual use.

Looking at a graph isn't the same as actually using the light.

If the light is on max and your batteries almost dead, it still puts out a whole lot of dependable light.

I actually left the light on and let it drain for more than an hour (after using it for 15-30 minutes every day for a week) and I got bored waiting for it to die. It was still outputting far more than my old Gladius did and the I (and many others) still consider the Gladius a great tactical light with plenty of output.

So even when the batteries on the verge of empty it still produces tactical amounts of light that exceed the high-end tactical lights of the last generation.

 

[shomie911]

Not exactly, memory mode guarantees 'last' level, and as you point out it is up to the customer to guarantee last=desired.

I do agree that equipment checks would always be done before specific operations, and hopefully before a shift, but *** happens and once the day has started it happens more. The modes are there and if they are used, it is then up to the customer to remember and get it back, Tactical lights are suppose to prevent accidents with a desired consistent operation. In this light mode-change is equal memory-change and I'm thinking it's not going to fly.

Well it's just my opinion, and maybe I'm totally wrong as I can't believe I'm the only one who has raised the issue.

Any LEO or military personnel care to comment?

I've used lights for tactical purposes before and I don't see how this is a problem.

If you're worried about not having full output, leave it on MAX, it has plenty of runtime so you don't have to worry about it.

It's really as simple as that.

 

[nypdcar1]

nice one day i will get one i love the m20:thumbsup:

 

[MattK]

Not exactly, memory mode guarantees 'last' level, and as you point out it is up to the customer to guarantee last=desired.

I do agree that equipment checks would always be done before specific operations, and hopefully before a shift, but *** happens and once the day has started it happens more. The modes are there and if they are used, it is then up to the customer to remember and get it back, Tactical lights are suppose to prevent accidents with a desired consistent operation. In this light mode-change is equal memory-change and I'm thinking it's not going to fly.

Well it's just my opinion, and maybe I'm totally wrong as I can't believe I'm the only one who has raised the issue.

Any LEO or military personnel care to comment?

Using this logic that means no multi-level light should be used for tactical purposes and that seems a bit absurd to me. There are a wide variety of switching methods but if the users fails to check his equipment than ANY of them could fail to meet his needs.

It's really simple. If you're doing a forced entry you are knowingly entering into a life and death situation:
-Put in fresh batteries.
-Pre-set output.
-Check magazine
-chamber round
-safety off

I'm no LEO/Military user myself but I've talked to hundreds of them. Trust me - they check out their equipment before going into harms way. Once the adrenaline is pumping it's too late.

 

[etc]

While talking of quality ....
As to my experience I don't think it does really fit the promotionally induced 'hard to take' military image at all:
mine dropped out of my pocket for about 50 cm on the kitchen floor (when getting up from the seat) and didn't work right afterwoods for level changes (fully erratically changes on CR/RCR123, just working opposite on 18650, having to twist bezel down for changes, losing it for keeping)
Wouldn't have mind if this had happened with a 25$ DX light, but to my opinion this is completely unacceptable for a >100$ 'high quality' light :scowl:
I've contacted the CS from Battery Junction and they asked me to send the light back on RMA for an exchange.
Will send it back on monday and then seeing forward as for the result....

MiniLux

Overpriced Chinese lites. For that kind of money, I would rather get a Surefire.

Fenix L2D series do not withstand heavy usage either. I just had one fail on me again, second time within the last year.

 

[Gator762]

Believe me, the light dims over the course of its 3 hour runtime, but it isn't all that noticeable in actual use.

Looking at a graph isn't the same as actually using the light.

If the light is on max and your batteries almost dead, it still puts out a whole lot of dependable light.

I actually left the light on and let it drain for more than an hour (after using it for 15-30 minutes every day for a week) and I got bored waiting for it to die. It was still outputting far more than my old Gladius did and the I (and many others) still consider the Gladius a great tactical light with plenty of output.

So even when the batteries on the verge of empty it still produces tactical amounts of light that exceed the high-end tactical lights of the last generation.

Yeah, I know outside 250 vs. 200 lumens isn't huge, but this light is the reason I'm finally jumping into LiIon lights. I just received my Pila charger, but don't have any batteries yet. If I'm gonna get higher output without sacrificing too much run time with RCR123s, I can go that route vs. 18650. With AW cells, two RCR123 are 1500 maH vs 18650 at 2200 maH.

 

[Gator762]

Overpriced Chinese lites. For that kind of money, I would rather get a Surefire.

Fenix L2D series do not withstand heavy usage either. I just had one fail on me again, second time within the last year.

Rubbish. My L1D has taken some serious falls (one 8' on hard tile floor), and still works great. Many other forum members here also have had good experience with Fenix and others. Granted every manufacturer has their lemons/unexpected failures (Surefire included). Despite that, Olight is relatively new, and I would also like to know more on durability.

 

[MattK]

.... two RCR123 are 1500 maH vs 18650 at 2200 maH.

Not quite; when cells are in serial configuration (+ to -) their voltage doubles, not their capacitance; in parallel configuration (+ to +, -to -) the capacity is doubled and the voltage remains unchanged. To double voltage AND capacity you need 4 batteries.

Thus 2 RCR123A in serial are ~7.4V and lets say 750mah(5.5Wh) , 1x18650 is ~3.7V at 2200mah (8.14Wh) but this assumes that all else is equal - which it's not as the 18650 has much lower internal resistance and those RCR123A aren't really going to deliver 750mah. Realistically, assuming a light engine optimized for RCR123A vs one optimized for 18650 the 18650 will deliver about twice the runtime, not 50% more.

 

[MattK]

Overpriced Chinese lites. For that kind of money, I would rather get a Surefire.

Yah, these comments always elicit a great response.

 

[polarbear84]

Could someone recommend me decent batteries and charger for the M20?

 

[Thujone]

one thing about the capacities. rcr123 may be advertised at 750mah but they are at most 550 and mostly 500mah. Whereas 18650 cells are usually very accurate. I am not sure why there is so much exaggeration on rcr123s.