Bizarre & Horrifying Maine Shooting

[alpg88]

Don't miss.
Nuf said.

LMAO, said and done are almost always very different things.
Have you ever been in a situation where you were attacked and you had to use your gun defensively? Tell us the secret how not to miss.

 

[alpg88]

I've watched enough police shooting videos to know almost all high-stress civilian SD shootings are going to be of the Spray & Pray variety.

That is not actually limited to civilians, 25-35% of shots fired by police actually hit the target. But unlike civilians the are not dealing with consequences when they hit bystanders. There was a research decade ago or so, they found that civilians are actually better shots than cops

 

[Chauncey Gardiner]

That is not actually limited to civilians, 25-35% of shots fired by police actually hit the target. But unlike civilians the are not dealing with consequences when they hit bystanders. There was a research decade ago or so, they found that civilians are actually better shots than cops

Yes, that was my unstated point. If trained LEOs miss their targets, so will untrained civilians.

 

[IMA SOL MAN]

Yes, that was my unstated point. If trained LEOs miss their targets, so will untrained civilians.

And that is why high capacity magazines are so important.

Some fools say, "well, if you can't handle the job with a 10 round magazine/6 round revolver, then you shouldn't be carrying a gun". If that were true, then a lot of cops would likely not be armed, either. It also ignores the very real possibility of multiple assailants, and barriers that have to be broken down to get rounds on target.

 

[alpg88]

The Average Civilian Pistol Permit Holder is Better with Their Weapons than Most Cops

 

[orbital]

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Skeet shooting is good cross training with a 20ga
if you can get to a place that does it.

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You can have all kinds of different loads in shot guns >>
Want stopping power, load your 20ga with rifled slugs and see how those hit an AR plate. Holy mother of__________!

 

[bigburly912]

LMAO, said and done are almost always very different things.
Have you ever been in a situation where you were attacked and you had to use your gun defensively? Tell us the secret how not to miss.

Shoot the one in the middle.

He was joking.

 

[Chauncey Gardiner]

@orbital, Impact?

Holy Mother of Impact!

 

[alpg88]

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Skeet shooting is good cross training with a 20ga
if you can get to a place that does it.

_______________________________________________________________
You can have all kinds of different loads in shot guns >>
Want stopping power, load your 20ga with rifled slugs and see how those hit an AR plate. Holy mother of__________!


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Never had a 20, only 12, used those slugs,( thou they were not a HP) at the range to shoot plates, almost got kicked out, it ripped the plates off their chains.

 

[kaichu dento]

Regarding the clip size limits, I have a good feeling the courts are eventually going to overturn that. It's another feel-good measure that does nothing in the real world.

Yes it is, and at the other end of it is incremental removal of all such tools from the public. All at once would not work so well, but one degree at a time makes it almost imperceptible.

 

[jtr1962]

Yes it is, and at the other end of it is incremental removal of all such tools from the public. All at once would not work so well, but one degree at a time makes it almost imperceptible.

Yes, incrementalism is the tool of tyrants and totalitarians.

 

[bigburly912]

Yes it is, and at the other end of it is incremental removal of all such tools from the public. All at once would not work so well, but one degree at a time makes it almost imperceptible.

That's what people don't understand about the attacks on 2A. Some of the measures that anti gunners want to take seem so small and trivial but they are worded in ways that open doors for gun grabbing. It's not a conspiracy theory scare tactic it's the truth. Everything is open worded and dangerous in these introduced bills.

 

[kaichu dento]

Yes, incrementalism is the tool of tyrants and totalitarians.

Not to mention cookie snatchers when mom said "No more!"

 

[Chauncey Gardiner]

Yes, incrementalism is the tool of tyrants and totalitarians.

By Jove, I think you two fellows finally agreed on something. 😁

 

[kaichu dento]

Yes, incrementalism is the tool of tyrants and totalitarians.

Some of the measures that anti gunners want to take seem so small and trivial but they are worded in ways that open doors for gun grabbing. Everything is open worded and dangerous in these introduced bills.

There was a manager we used to work with who, when asked about untruthful statements he'd made that we couldn't back up, replied "It's called getting your foot in the door. Once they can't close the door, then you tell them what the rules really are."

 

[kaichu dento]

By Jove, I think you two fellows finally agreed on something. 😁

Of course we do, we're arguing against specific views, not each other as individuals.

 

[Monocrom]

Probably a stupid question regarding bullets and damage but here goes. It all sounds like a compromise between recoil, bullet mass, exit velocity, and accuracy. A heavier bullet, or a faster one, will result in more damage, all other things being equal. But the downside is greater recoil, less accuracy. Anyway, has anyone ever made bullets with high explosive loaded in the rounds? The idea would be to allow small caliber weapons with short barrels to have more stopping power. If not, why not, besides legal reasons? Inability to reliably keep the HE from exploding while the bullet is still in the barrel (obviously not a good thing)? Just not as effective as it sounds? Other reasons?

Just curious. I'm a complete layperson when it comes to firearms, but this question has been bugging me for years.

Ironically, most cartridge explosions inside a gun are caused by too little smoke-less powder charge. Instead of adding in a bit too much of the recommended charge. Why? No clue. I just know it happens. Same thing with lights geared for Throw. If you want to maximize that, make that reflector HUGE (as in extremely wide). Why? again, no clue. Just how it is.

With handguns, a smaller, lighter bullet traveling at more feet per second (FPS) does significantly more damage than a heavier bullet with more mass traveling at slower FPS. This is why, bullet shape being the same, a .357 Magnum will easily cause more damage than a .45 ACP. (Although the .45 Purists will swear that's not the case. It is.)

A longer barrel also helps when it comes to such calibers as a .357 Magnum. Performance goes up. But not exponentially. For example, you get significantly more velocity from a 3-inch barrel revolver than a 2-inch one with the same .357 Magnum load. However, going from 3-inch to 4-inch nets you only a very slight increase in velocity. Certainly no where near as much going from a 2 to a 3.

 

[Monocrom]

how is a 380 compared to a 9mm/?

Used to be, you went with .380 if you wanted absolute concealability and concentrated more on shot-placement. But times have changed! Now you can get pistols that were normally sized to handle .380 recoil, in .9mm chambering. And, that is definitely a good thing since .380 loads are anemic by comparison.

 

[alpg88]

With handguns, a smaller, lighter bullet traveling at more feet per second (FPS) does significantly more damage than a heavier bullet with more mass traveling at slower FPS. This is why, bullet shape being the same, a .357 Magnum will easily cause more damage than a .45 ACP. (Although the .45 Purists will swear that's not the case. It is.)

The most important aspect of pistol round is stopping power, faster .357 will go thru, with plenty of energy remaining, a .45 will not go thru, and will transfer all its energy into target, you do not really care how much damage it does, what you care is that it stops a person in his track, when someone is on drugs or on adrenaline he may not feel that significantly bigger internal damage, and still come at you, you do not want that, think of it as a being pierced with a sword vs punched by mike tyson, what will stop you faster?

 

[Monocrom]

The most important aspect of pistol round is stopping power, faster .357 will go thru, with plenty of energy remaining, a .45 will not go thru, and will transfer all its energy into target, you do not really care how much damage it does, what you care is that it stops a person in his track, when someone is on drugs or on adrenaline he may not feel that significantly bigger internal damage, and still come at you, you do not want that, think of it as a being pierced with a sword vs punched by mike tyson, what will stop you faster?

Not sure, don't want to experiment with Iron Mike nor a sword!
As far as energy transfer goes, that's why it's best to use hollow-point .357 Mag. bullets. (110 or 125 grains.) On impact, that bullet expands, causes more initial damage, which certainly helps with stopping power.