I out shined security

ks_physicist

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Outshined?

You're lucky you didn't end up in a Rusty Cage.


(One internet point to the first person who posts the reference.)
 

Monocrom

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Allburger I give you props on this one. Common.. the're security and should have good tools (flashlights) to do their job.

As a Security Guard, I can tell you that if you get issued a stock 3D Maglite; count yourself lucky. The only equipment that is typically issued is an electronic "wand," used to make sure that security guards are actually doing their patrols instead of sleeping.

If you work at night, expect to be told by a supervisor to bring your own light. Mine suggested a 2AA Mini-Mag. The two el-cheapo, D-cell lights in the patrol vehicle don't even have batteries inside of them. They look like they were dug out of a dumpster. I know for a fact that the place where I work issues various Streamlight products to their employees.... but not to the security guards since we are considered "contractors." The client expects the security company to provide us with proper equipment. But that would eat a tiny bit into their profits, so they don't.

Part of my job is to check for leaks.... Leaks that if they occur, are going to be a Haz-Mat issue. Good thing I'm a flashaholic with a nice collection of lights. :ironic:

Yeah.... The security industry in general is a joke. Even more so here, in NYC.
 
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Mark620

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It makes no sense to me, here are people we are ENTRUSTING to keep things secure, but pay them as minimully as we can. If thats not an oxymoron, I don't know what is!!!!

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SO darn true. I have some friends that are police officers. They get called out to protect some jerk that makes over 500K per year. The officer is expected to put his life on the line (for what about 20K/year) and does not even get a thank you...If an officer does not know you and treats you badly, thats because 1. He can tell you make 10X his salary. 2. he is afraid you may try to beat/kill him/her.
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Most of my lights that I upgrade go to caver friends and police friends(one friend is both). I recently made some 3W UV light for my police friends...Ceapo DX light, new driver, 3W UV led...
 

e2x2e

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Nobody needs to ensure I'm secure, that my own personal job. If the government doesn't ALLOW me access to means of providing my own security, then a police officer has got to do it. If the government doesn't provide them with the proper tools needed to protect me, then they are failing to uphold their responsibility to its citizens. As for your staunch defense of police officers, there certainly are some police officers who are good people and work hard and deserve much better pay. But there are a whole lot of bad ones too. They abuse the law and abuse their badge. In the Cafe section there is a thread about videos, and one person linked to a video of cops breaking the law, and blatantly denying it. My father just got a ticket for talking on his cell phone in his car. He wasn't, the cop LIED to his face and told him he was. The cop even INVADED his private property by requesting to see his cell phone, which showed no EVIDENCE of a recent call. But he still got a $100 ticket. My father got his badge number and called the department. I hope this guy is fired, he is a criminal and I DO NOT trust him with my security, that is MY OWN job, and the government better LET ME DO IT.

Sorry 'bout that, I just got a 'lil carried away. Now understand, please, that I do not hate cops. As I said, there are plenty or good cops out there, and I know quite a few. I hope I didn't upset anybody. If you are a LEO, I salute you as long as you uphold the law as I must and you respect citizens as you wish to be respected. There are unfortunately just too many who don't.

I might add: The PO also treated my father very disrespectfully from the start. My father always says to keep away from cops, and do what they say. This officer had no right to do what he did. Why are law abiding citizens being treated like criminals? A PO isn't supposed to treat law abiding citizens like criminals.
 
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Hypnosis4U2NV

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Nobody needs to ensure I'm secure, that my own personal job. If the government doesn't ALLOW me access to means of providing my own security, then a police officer has got to do it. If the government doesn't provide them with the proper tools needed to protect me, then they are failing to uphold their responsibility to its citizens. As for your staunch defense of police officers, there certainly are some police officers who are good people and work hard and deserve much better pay. But there are a whole lot of bad ones too. They abuse the law and abuse their badge. In the Cafe section there is a thread about videos, and one person linked to a video of cops breaking the law, and blatantly denying it. My father just got a ticket for talking on his cell phone in his car. He wasn't, the cop LIED to his face and told him he was. The cop even INVADED his private property by requesting to see his cell phone, which showed no EVIDENCE of a recent call. But he still got a $100 ticket. My father got his badge number and called the department. I hope this guy is fired, he is a criminal and I DO NOT trust him with my security, that is MY OWN job, and the government better LET ME DO IT.

Sorry 'bout that, I just got a 'lil carried away. Now understand, please, that I do not hate cops. As I said, there are plenty or good cops out there, and I know quite a few. I hope I didn't upset anybody. If you are a LEO, I salute you as long as you uphold the law as I must and you respect citizens as you wish to be respected. There are unfortunately just too many who don't.

I might add: The PO also treated my father very disrespectfully from the start. My father always says to keep away from cops, and do what they say. This officer had no right to do what he did. Why are law abiding citizens being treated like criminals? A PO isn't supposed to treat law abiding citizens like criminals.

I dont wish to start a debate here on cops, but Id like to point out that encounters with cops are not always nice, usually because your being stopped for some type of violation or investigation.. With that being said, your encounter is going to be sour from the beginning.. Couple that with a summonse and your surly going to have sour grapes in your mouth.. The Law Enforcement profession, as with any other job, is going to have a few bad apples in its employment and those are far and FEW when compared as a whole..

Just a few points to note in your story:
LIED - In your fathers point of view maybe, but what the officer believes he saw should not be construed as a lie..
INVADED - The cop asked to see his phone, he could have said no, but instead he gave it to him.. I doubt he had a gun to his head or it was forcibly removed.. You give permission, its not invading anything..
EVIDENCE - Like any other moving violation, the cop is the one that needs to prove the charges did actually take place (Innocent until Proven Guilty) If the judge finds your father guilty because the cop was able to prove the charge with his testimony at court, then blame the justice system..
SECURITY IS YOUR OWN JOB - I cant begin to tell you how I feel about this statement.. If it is your own job, then maybe you can, on your own free time of course, do the following: 1) Patrol your neighborhood 2) Issue summonses and make arrests regarding public safety since they indirectly affect you in some way 3) Answer your communities concerns, or at the very least handle your very own concerns 4) Put yourself in dangerous situations with only a split second of reaction time to protect someone you dont know or even yourself 5) Take your own criminal reports and investigate them
TOO MANY WHO DONT - That should read "a few who dont".. In any case, I very highly doubt that the cop who issued your father a summonse for talking on a cell phone did it because he was bored or didnt like the way your father looked or the type of car he was driving.. Judging from the circimstances that you conveyed, it seems that your father was in some sort of debate with the cop whether he was on the phone or not which would probably explain the disrespectful part of the story as well..
LAW ABIDING - Your not law abiding if your being stopped for a even traffic violation - Last time I checked they are laws as well.. It doesnt necessarily make your father a criminal, but the treatment towards criminals should be the same as for non-criminals if put in the same exact scenarios.

I dont think your a cop hater, but you seem to have a perceived idea of how a cop should act with someone.. This is not to say that a cop shouldnt be respectful or courteous with everyone, but in certain situations are difficult to enact upon.. In fact I can recall countless times when the subject is the one being disrespectful and discourteous to the cop and got back the same attitude from the cop.. Just take a step back and dont judge cops by your fathers account of events which may just be different than the actual events he conveyed to you..
 
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sawlight

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e2Xe2: My post was towards security gaurds, people that are supposed to keep construction sites free from buglaries, moniter shopping malls at night, and keep an eye on buisnesses so they don't get robbed over the weekends. And keep an eye on rowdy residents, such as the OP, at appartment complexes.

LEO's, is another stroy entirely!!!!
 

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There's a simple answer to settle this one. Get the phone bill for that phone and compare the call times to the timestamp on the dashcam video. The truth wil come out.
 

Windscale

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If the purpose of being a flashaholic is merely to out-shine others, this would be too much elementary thinking. Being out-shined is no big deal. Anyone with an HID will out-shine my whole collection easily. Not that I can't afford an HID, just that I don't like having to use multiple 18650s for safety reasons. I am almost 100% rechargeable but my brightest lights never go beyond a one-cell formation. But I have nothing against the starter of this thread. He is merely stating a fact. And stating a fact is never wrong. Just as if another member will start a thread about being out-shined by a security officer. That will be stating a fact too.

Things get complicated when we start getting competitive.

My philosophy of being a flashaholic is that firstly one must have a love of lights, secondly, one owns as many lights as one can afford, and thirdly, one is able to buy lights to suit one's needs, having balanced such factors as brightness, runtimes, built qualities and battery safety etc. In this sense, any flashaholic can enjoy being a flashaholic (even he who can only afford a few cheaper Chinese lights).

Let's go out and enjoy (and use) our lights.
 

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everyone here loves to outshine another flashlight. Especially when someone is being all cocky with their light.

Last week end at a sportsman show, there was booth full of cheap knock off led lights. Many of them were the 5 led variaty claiming to be brightest ever. I picked one up shined it on the back of the booth couldn't even tell it was on. Guy said "well of course not its bright in here, but at nite those 5 leds are brighter than bright," pulled out my lodq4 and put a hot spot on the same wall, he just shrugged without comment.
 

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Ok, anyone here not going to say anything about starting a bonfire at a apartment complex? You should have been arrested instead of just approached by security.
 

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Hey, all you new guys, welcome to the CPF from an old guy!

"Outshining" is one of our secret pleasures even if some of us won't admit it. At least it's a no-cal indulgence. Have fun. :wave:

The "Outshining" ....wasn't that a movie where Jack Nicholson plays a deranged (is there any other kind!) flashaholic?

:crackup:
 

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"Outshining"... good term, Jayflash. I'm guilty of having done it once or twice but not with the intention of outclassing the other person; it's more of a comparison for me, as well as a willingness to be helpful by putting a lot of light where it's needed. I'm careful not to look like I'm trying to put down the other person or his/her light, and I usually wind up gently erxplaining the many benefits of upgrading to something better, even if it's only a Mag drop-in that they can afford. There are many nice lights that I can't afford myself so I try to be sensitive to that.
ya right:mecry::crackup:
 

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LOL, you never came up against me. Many years ago when I worked as a Security Specialist on nightshift I carried a Surefire M6 with a 9P as backup. (or was that the other way around, lol?)

With the 500L lamp in that M6, the only people that could out do me were those guys with one of those million candlepower lanterns you had to plug into your patrol vehicle's cig' lighter.

But then again this wasn't an ordinary "Security Guard" job so I could afford the batteries & lights.
 

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As a Security Guard, I can tell you that if you get issued a stock 3D Maglite; count yourself lucky. The only equipment that is typically issued is an electronic "wand," used to make sure that security guards are actually doing their patrols instead of sleeping.

If you work at night, expect to be told by a supervisor to bring your own light. Mine suggested a 2AA Mini-Mag. The two el-cheapo, D-cell lights in the patrol vehicle don't even have batteries inside of them. They look like they were dug out of a dumpster. I know for a fact that the place where I work issues various Streamlight products to their employees.... but not to the security guards since we are considered "contractors." The client expects the security company to provide us with proper equipment. But that would eat a tiny bit into their profits, so they don't.

Part of my job is to check for leaks.... Leaks that if they occur, are going to be a Haz-Mat issue. Good thing I'm a flashaholic with a nice collection of lights. :ironic:

Yeah.... The security industry in general is a joke. Even more so here, in NYC.


Sad, sad, sad.

At my site our Security Coordinators are all pro's most have 10 yrs or more experience and half have a BS degree.

I had the company buy nine Surefire E2e's for issue to each of the guys.

D_A


opps that reminds me I gotta check to see if we need more 123's.
 

mycandle

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All you did was buy a flashlight. That's not an accomplishment or point of pride. You bought something. I'm impressed by the people who figured out how to get more light out of an LED, and how to package and market a light so people are willing to pay $100's for it. Those people did something to distinguish themselves. Anyone with money or a credit card can buy something, and they won't be any more special for having done it.
 

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speaking of bonfires...a few yrs ago i was at a friends place n their new nextdoor neighbours were celebrating for moving into the new house with a nice big bonfire on their front yard...needless to say one of the other neighbours called in the fire brigade which came a few mins later to spoil their party...
 
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