BIGLOU
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Doing away with the M9. I wonder what weaponlight they will pick. Here is the link: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/07/2...ost-popular+(Internal+-+Most+Popular+Content)
Doing away with the M9. I wonder what weaponlight they will pick. Here is the link: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/07/2...ost-popular+(Internal+-+Most+Popular+Content)
Hopefully the Army follows them also. 45. acp for more knock down power.
Not trying to create flamebait here, because I know the 1911 has a fervent fanbase, but I have to wonder why they're going back the the 1911...
It's a fine handgun, and who am I to question the great JMB, but it's not the final and complete pinnacle of handgun design. IMHO they should have adopted the Glock 17 back in the 80s but supposedly it was never under serious consideration.
Yes, it's an iconic design. But it's over 100 years old, and not without issues.
Not trying to create flamebait here, because I know the 1911 has a fervent fanbase, but I have to wonder why they're going back the the 1911...
It's a fine handgun, and who am I to question the great JMB, but it's not the final and complete pinnacle of handgun design. IMHO they should have adopted the Glock 17 back in the 80s but supposedly it was never under serious consideration.
IMHO (having owned 1911s since 1975), the biggest issue is lack of proficency with its operation and infrequent/nonexistant live fire practice. Although it can be used by novices, to be effective one must be committed to investing the time and effort for competence.
I couldnt disagree more. The Glock certainly isnt the pinnacle of polymer framed pistols, just like the M1911 might not be the pinnacle of modern semi-autos, but the M1911 is better than the Glock, and so is the Springfield XD or XDM series. The Glock, even though made in modern times is the antithesis of ergonomics. It should be easy and obvious in these modern times to design anything with comfort and ergonomics in mind, but Glock never got that memo! Holding a Glock in your hand is like holding a 2x4.
The company that introduced the Glock wasnt even a firearms company when they started making Glocks. The designer previously made curtain rods! Most other manufacturers have consistently improved their products, but Glocks are pretty much the same. I know they are often reliable, etc., but most guns are reliable. The Springfield XD series, and the Walther P99 are both better handling pistols, and the Springfield is a safer gun too. Its more comfortable, shoots better, etc.
I know that many police depts use them and all, but most police depts still use Surefire lights too, and they are now usually inferior in many ways to the top Chinese lights.
I think the 1911 is a great choice, but they should choose a high capacity model that holds 14 cartridges instead of the old single stack design that hold only 7-8 with one in the chamber. Like maybe the Para Ordinance Light double action 1911(LDA) However, unlike the 9mm, it usually only takes one round from a .45acp to do the job, whereas the US military routinely train US soldiers to shoot double taps(2 quick shots) at each target, because of the 9mm's notorious lack of stopping power, which is why most police depts have switched over from 9mm to .40 S&W auto.
Along with the money. I've yet to meet a single 1911 owner with a completely stock set-up.
I've held and fired a Glock 19. Despite the looks, it doesn't handle like a brick or feel like a 2x4 in the hand. I found the grip very comfortable and ergonomic. Main issue was a bit of excessive muzzle-flip for follow-up shots.
The ballistic difference between the .45 ACP and .9mm is minimal. Shot-placement from a reliable weapon counts far more than the age-old debate involving .9mm vs. .45 ACP. Switching over from .9mm to .40 S&W is much easier than instituting new regulations that require officers to spend some real time down at the gun range. If a .9mm isn't cutting it, a barely wider bullet of the same design isn't going to either.
Along with the money. I've yet to meet a single 1911 owner with a completely stock set-up.
Nice to meet you. My name's Dan. My 1911 is 100% stock. But then again, it's never been fired. According to my late father in law, the hammer has never fallen.
One of these days I'll either take it to the range or see what it's worth on the market.
Daniel
I've shot numerous Glock models in 9mm, .40 & 45. If you're a 1911 shooter, the grip does feel awkward, along with the long, heavy trigger pull. If you started with a Glock, you'll never notice. When my brother's LE friends shoot my 1911's it's the first thing they comment on.
I do like the Glock's lack of muzzle flip in 9mm due to the high grip position and heavy slide - nice.
The 9mm vs. 45 ACP debate has been raging for decades, and I agree accuracy trumps caliber but all things being equal, the combination of bullet weight (retained) and expansion is the key and the 9mm cannot match the .40 or .45...
All guns have been fired one or more times.
It's called proofing.
I agree with Monocrom, the difference you get from .40 S&W and 9mm, if any, is marginal and highly debatable. Particularly with todays modern hollowpoint loading 9mm and .40 S&W have essentially the same performance.
If there are three generalizations you can make about .40 S&W over 9mm it's that
1. .40 S&W has about 25-30% more recoil "impluse" (rearward velocity, or snap) than 9mm when fired through a gun with similar weight (example: Glock 17 vs Glock 22).
2. .40 S&W tends to penetrate tissue about 2-4" more than 9mm
3. The trajectory of .40 S&W tends to deflect less than 9mm due to it usually being a heavier bullet (.40 S&W common bullet weight: 165gr and 180gr vs 9mm common bullet weights: 115, 124, 147gr)
BTW: I want to add that most popular handgun cartridges are "underpowered" this includes .45 ACP.
I know that even a .22LR can be dangerous but no handgun cartridge that can be reasonably handled is a reliable man-stopper.
Well I guess the FBI (after the Miami shootout) and all the PDs moves from 9mm to 40 S&W were just for what? Increased recoil with no tangible benefit? The impetus away from the 9mm began after the FBI report showing accurate shooting but insufficient penetration to stop the perps.
RE: No handgun cartridge/45 ACP being a reliable manstopper, neither is the .223/5.56...