My Take On The POB HID And Something About The N30.

Gene

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I had never owned a HID portable spotlight and always wanted to try one and had read very positive reports about the POB 35W. When a gent offered them for $50.00 shipped, I squeezed out the money from my limited budget and went for one.

Upon receiving it, I was amazed how large and heavy it is but mainly the hefty weight. I knew that from reading about it here but like everything, you don't realize true sizes and weights until you actually get something in your hands.

It's a fine and very powerful light and mine works well so far and was worth the $50.00. Much brighter and better beam than my old NiCD 50,000 CP spotlight that I bought in 1993 and which just died on me a couple of months ago. I've heard of gents getting these POBs for $20.00-$30.00 INCLUDING shipping and that's the STEAL of all time here on CPF! :)

The thing is though, it's really an impractical light. I'm impressed by a HID's brightness but the "strike time" or delay to full brightness is what really makes it impractical for me.

I live extremely rural in the middle of a forest with virtually zero ambient light. A Fenix LOD out here is almost a spotlight! :) I have a lot of visiters at night of the black bear persuasion. I do like them but not when they go after my BBQ or garbage cans! One thing black bears DO NOT LIKE are bright lights.

I chased many of them away with my old spotlight and this POB HID would really get them scooting. But with the delay, it makes for a less desireable "bear chaser".

Hey, I still like it and will use it occasionally catfishing at the lake and camping but in all honesty, it will see little practical use mainly because of the delay and the weight. Of course that's never stopped a true flashaholic! :)

Now on to the AmondoTech N30. Wanting to try a HID, I wish I would have done my homework better because at even over twice the price I paid for the POB, (which is not at all outrageous and even cheap when it comes to HIDs), the N30 looks like the HID I should have gone for. MUCH lighter and smaller and with the array of LEDs in the handle to use when you're not using the HID, it seems much handier!

I'm not slamming HIDs in any way here but it's worth noting to someone on the fence about a HID concerning their delay to full brightness and their size and weight. If you can get one of these POBs especially for $20.00-$30.00 shipped or even for the $50.00 shipped I paid, go for it just to try one out. It just seems like the N30 would be a much handier though more expensive HID. With it's LEDs and it being a lot smaller and lighter, it would see much more use than the POB.

Man, when they finally come out with a hand held 35W HID, around the size of a 1XD maglite with instant on, a 90 minute runtime and in the $150.00 price range, I'm on it! Don't laugh, with light technology marching on so fast, I'll bet it'll happen sooner or later! One can only dream! :)

P.S. Oh yeah, this was my lazy man's fix for the POB's "too easy to accidentally turn on" switch activation problem. HF 89 cent carabineer and two 10 cent split rings. :)

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Man, when they finally come out with a hand held 35W HID, around the size of a 1XD maglite with instant on, a 90 minute runtime and in the $150.00 price range, I'm on it! Don't laugh, with light technology marching on so fast, I'll bet it'll happen sooner than we think! ;)
That's not gonna happen unless there's a revolution or two in battery technology. A HID isn't going to magically gain in lumen per watt efficiency. They're pretty much as good as they're going to get, so in order to make your dream possible it would all have to be on the battery side.

A 3000 lumen LED light that's the size of a 1D Maglite with instant on and a 90 minute runtime might be possible though if LED technology improves enough (to 300lm/watt).
 
I know you're correct but nowadays, anything could happen. LED lights may gain big on HIDs in the not so distant future.
 
Good practical review, for some people HID maybe useless. Especially when you need full blast light ASAP. That is why I picked the M6 :D.
 
If you've got the bucks, the Polarion PH50 HID certainly gives an instantaneous blast of 5000 or more Lumens, ramping up to 6000+ in mere seconds.
 
Wouldn't it scare away the bears even before it hit full blast? I mean, if you were previously using a Xenon spotlight, surely the POB would work even at half power or so.

Personally, I have no legitimate purpose for my POB. I bought one because I wanted one. I just wanted to have a ridiculous all star thrower. The weight and delay don't bother me because I only use it to play. :thumbsup:
 
Hey guys, I just needed to point out that even the 24W/25W class HIDs are Producing more lumens and throwing farther in 2 seconds that a M6 HOLA. That 35W POB is throwing light waaaaay downrange within a second of flipping the switch. The warm up time of HIDs is a reverse exponential thing, with most of the light being available in a couple of seconds, the rest available within seconds after that, and the rest is just color shift in the beam. This is especially true for the 35W+ lights.

I also agree with Stereodude that things wont be changing anytime soon even with technology advances. HID bulbs will always be hid bulbs and require a very good ignitor/ballast to fire up rapidly (Polarion speed). These ballasts are very expensive and if anything, prices are only going to go up, not down. With regards to throw, LED are a long way off to ever attaining a point source of light as small and bright as an HID arc. Although LEDs will eventually output as many overall lumens, (as battery technology advances) coming close to the throw performance of HID's is a whole other thing to overcome and still many years off.

I completely agree with you gene about the usability of the N30 vs. the POB. They're both bargains for what they are but my two POBs don't get much use with that N30 around the house.
 
While there is a delay in maximum brightness, mine is putting out plenty to see by as soon as its turned on. Certainly enough to scare a bear away.
 
I just sent for an N30 possibly as a gift for another friend. I'm gonna go broke giving my WOW toys away it seems!! How is the performance of the
N30? I had the opportunity of looking at one briefly at PF10 but, being surrounded by about a zillion lights at once can be diatracting and besides, did I REALLY need ANOTHER light??????


Karl
 
Nice gift Karl!! If you ever feel like giving your PH50 away, I'd take another one.

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Good points all and I guess the initial hit of light would still be bright enough to get a bear's attention. Next time one comes around, I'll let you know. To my eyes though, the hit that comes within a few more seconds, really gets attention and is what you really get a HID for! It just takes getting used to that strike time.

BVH,
I'll bet that Polarion PH50 really would do the trick. At $2,200.00, I'll start saving up! :)

Patriot36,
You really know your stuff and thanks for the good info. If good ballasts like in the Polarians are going to be going up and a good price for a Polarian PH50 is now at about $2,200.00, I think powerful, quality HIDs will stay in the realm of fantasy for even most of us die hard flashoholics.

Gee, this $50.00 35W POB is looking better and better! ;)
 
Patriot36,
You really know your stuff and thanks for the good info. If good ballasts like in the Polarians are going to be going up and a good price for a Polarian PH50 is now at about $2,200.00, I think powerful, quality HIDs will stay in the realm of fantasy for even most of us die hard flashoholics.

Gee, this $50.00 35W POB is looking better and better! ;)


Thanks Gene, honestly I'm a rookie compared to about 10 other real HID pro's around here, BVH being just one of them. If he says the L35 isn't far away then that's a good sign. I'd take that recommendation. :)

There was some brief discussion regarding Polarion prices and essentially they've been the same for a long time now. It was eluding to the point that we may see a possible increase. Just the fact that the dollar is so weak internationally now would also point to increased prices. We also know how high end US products are priced, just look at Surefire. In any case the option to paying full retail is to get a hold of a pre-owned Polarion. Sometimes there are some incredible deals floating around. Karlthev pointed out to me, a Xe-50 which sold recently on ebay for $468, another high quality product.

As you said, the POB is an amazing performer for $50.
 
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