Open apology to CPF members

[Ocelot808]

Actually the adoption of leeching was scientific, based on the hypothesis of human disease being caused by "bad blood", long before the discovery and understanding of cellular antigens, viruses, or bacteria.

Observing the nature of leech saliva (anticoagulant) it was a logical deduction that an existing natural mechanism (the leech) could be employed to remove this "bad blood" from a patients system in an effort to cure a disease.

There is a very sound reasoning behind this given the exetremely primitive knowledge of human physiology of that past era.

Of course, after the evolutionary scientific process in medicine that same hypothesis is in fact a common feature of modern medicine which we call blood transfusion. An absolute life saving necessary part of medicine today. 🩸

 

[alpg88]

Leech saliva contains hirudin, an anticoagulant and anti-platelet agent that works to prevent blood clots and reduce the amount of congested blood in the tissues. Other chemicals in leech saliva keep the blood flowing in the damaged area, even after the leech is detached, allowing time for new veins to grow and the existing ones to widen and accommodate more blood flow. As a bonus, the treatment is painless – when the leech bites, they release a naturally occurring anesthetic that numbs the area.


The U.S. Food and Drug Administration in 2004 approved the use of leeches for localized venous congestion after surgery, recognizing them as living, breathing medical devices. Given that the scientific name for the leech is hirudinea, their use for medical purposes is often referred to as hirudotherapy.

Leeches are bred specifically for medical use at leech farms around the country. They are sanitized before attachment to the patient are are used only once. After they have fed and cropped off the patient, they are anesthetized and disposed of as medical waste.

People in the past believed leaches take bad blood away, but in fact they give us something beneficial. They had no idea what the mechanism was, but they clearly saw improvements,

 

[orbital]

People in the past believed leaches take bad blood away, but in fact they give us something beneficial. They had no idea what the mechanism was, but they clearly saw improvements,

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During a time when more wine was drank than water, lead was used to sweeten wine.
Massive lead poisoning issues

Likely anything was tried

 

[vicv]

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During a time when more wine was drank than water, lead was used to sweeten wine.
Massive lead poisoning issues

Likely anything was tried

It's been posited that the lead acetate in the wine was a major contributing factor to the fall of the western Roman Empire. They were going nuts from it

 

[hamhanded]

It's been posited that the lead acetate in the wine was a major contributing factor to the fall of the western Roman Empire. They were going nuts from it

And yet, aviation continues to spew lead high up in our atmosphere 24/7/365.

 

[vicv]

And yet, aviation continues to spew lead high up in our atmosphere 24/7/365.

What aviation? Most planes are jets. Which burn kerosene. Propeller planes do burn a low lead fuel. It's tetraethyl lead. Not the same thing. But yes it is toxic. They need the octane for the elevation. But that's not the same as putting lead salts in your wine.
Funny you should mention it, there's data that points to tetraethyl lead being part of the reason of the cognitive decline of the baby boomer population. Worldwide lead levels were very high in the 60s era and caused a lot of issues. Like their proclivity for believing conspiracy theories and such. Thomas Midgley Jr caused a lot of problems. Considered the single most dangerous organism to life in all of history

 

[alpg88]

IT could be argued that religions are conspiracy theory themselves, vast majority of world population is subscribing to some version of it, so led has nothing to do with it,

 

[jtr1962]

Funny you should mention it, there's data that points to tetraethyl lead being part of the reason of the cognitive decline of the baby boomer population. Worldwide lead levels were very high in the 60s era and caused a lot of issues.

Funny you mention that because some theories blame leaded gasoline for the crime spike in the 1970s through early 1990s. Not coincidentally, that would have been when the baby boomers came of age. Crime started dropping after the mid 1990s as most baby boomers aged out of it. The youngest ones would have been about 30 at the time, the oldest approaching 50.

 

[vicv]

Funny you mention that because some theories blame leaded gasoline for the crime spike in the 1970s through early 1990s. Not coincidentally, that would have been when the baby boomers came of age. Crime started dropping after the mid 1990s as most baby boomers aged out of it. The youngest ones would have been about 30 at the time, the oldest approaching 50.

Ya that as well

 

[vicv]

IT could be argued that religions are conspiracy theory themselves, vast majority of world population is subscribing to some version of it, so led has nothing to do with it,

Religious people definitely have cognitive disabilities

 

[Ocelot808]

Meanwhile, in the CPF control room ....

"Sir, you have to look at these instrument readings... seems this humble apology thread has morphed into something that is pegging the "tangential topic drift" gauges off the scale"

"Lessee, climate change to leeching to the fall of the Roman Empire to lead poisoning via aviation. Hell Smithers, nuke some popcorn and wait and see just what comes NEXT!"

"and get me some more coffee for my lead lined mug"


....all in good clean fun

 

[Ocelot808]

Thomas Midgley Jr caused a lot of problems. Considered the single most dangerous organism to life in all of history

The Father of Freon, all manner of CFCs, the Archduke of tetraethyl lead... whose life's work has caused the greatest damage to the health of humans and the environment from cumulative toxicity in the history of history. The one man environmental catastrophe. OTOH, disregarding the toxicity, his developments made possible huge advances in combustion engine fuel and refrigeration.

Midgely suffered from severe lead poisoning in his development process but it didn't stop his work. He contracted polio and developed a complex system of ropes and pulleys to extract himself from bed. At age 55, surviving 4 years of polio he was found dead entangled in his own device, by strangulation. Ouch.

 

[Buff]

Don't even get me started about asbestos or A triple F fire suppressing foam. Where were these leeches when i needed them most?

 

[Ocelot808]

The leeches were all in the little river where they filmed Stand By Me.

I just had to look up AFFF foam. Majority of cases happened to suffer testicular cancer. What a terrible reward for life risking fire fighters. Yikes.

 

[alpg88]

Religious people definitely have cognitive disabilities

You probably will not find many people free of "religious" beliefs, which does not have to be an actual religion, it could be green movement, woke movement, vegan movement, conservative value believers..... etc.
So who does not have cognitive disabilities? Those who religiously convinced they have no such disability, do not subscribed to any religion and -beliefs? could it be a disability on its own?

 

[bigburly912]

Man this place really has gone all to hell. Merry happy holidays all!

 

[bykfixer]

 

[letschat7]

I missed everything.

So I've been on gun forums, racist websites, the deepweb, and some other places far worse. I think I can handle anything.

People should be free to speak their mind and object to other's comments. That is what the internet is all about. Regardless of what some of you say at the end of the day it gets dark and we turn on our lights and we discuss it here and that is what matters the most.

 

[bigburly912]

I've never seen an apology thread go sideways and turn into bigotry. Welcome to CPF

 

[letschat7]

We are still better than rflashlights!