Surefire SCOUT converted to Malkoff M6 with LU60A

[FiftyCalAl]

The new KL4 head on the current production SCOUT is pretty awesome. It produces about 100 lumens and has a great wide beam for room clearing. The body has an internal mount which allows quick detachable mounting intead of having to purchase a mount. Of course, some folks prefer to purchase a LaRue Tactical QR mount due to some folks having vibration-release issues with the factory mount. Some of the disadvantages: (1) even the newest version is pretty cold (blue tint) and (2) the light is not very functional when used outdoors or when you expect or need a longer throw.
Let me just say now that the opinions offered here are mine - your mileage may differ - but I wanted to express these thoughts because I have had a couple of people email/pm me after posting about my real-world experiences with Malkoff Devices drop-ins. Having the opportunity to use Malkoff's M60 drop-ins on several different occassions, I can honestly say that I am a convert to Gene's designs. I have no interest in his financial aspects (except that I have sent him over $600 for his products in the last few monthsbut I have no problem preaching the good news of these wonderful tools that totally accentuate already positive lighting products from SF:thumbsup:.

Anyway, I have a couple of SCOUTs. I will maintain one of them in its original KL4 configuration (for training); but here is a method for modifying the SCOUT to make it even better.

STEP 1: BUY A SCOUT

STEP 2: Obtain a SUREFIRE LU60A conversion. I suggest Calvin at Brightflashlights in FL. He has great selection, awesome prices, and is a jewel to work with. You can find him in the forums at AR15.com or www.BrightFlashlights.net Phone: (352) 732-2156 from 11am-8pm EST (Mon. - Fri. & until 4pm Sat.)


STEP 3: Obtain a Malkoff M60 drop-in insert (Q5 version is now available and Gene's are VERY warm) . Also get the $1 copper spacer needed for shock isolated bezels. www.malkoffdevices.com. SIgn up for his email newsletter. This is how he lets us all know he has product for sale.


STEP 4: Remove KL4 head. Keep it for "re-conversion", use it on another E Series light, sell it (LOTS of people are looking for a SF KL4 in HA BLACK).

STEP 5: THE LU60A comes with a black HA (M2 style) shock isolated bezel, a P60 LA, and a E/P adapter. You can keep the incandescent lamp assembly as a back up, use in another light, sell it, give it away, or retain it in case you want to do some IR work. For now, set it aside.

STEP 6: attach E/P adapter to SCOUT body, insert small copper spacer ring on top of the positive end of the 123 closest to the bezel; then insert the Malkoff drop-in and screw down the shock isolated bezel.

STEP 7: ENJOY A HECK OF AN UPGRADE! That was it - truly a drop-in.

Here is a side-by-side shot of the original and the mod. With increased run-time, excellent wide throw (as good as or better than KL4), superb long throw (in addition to great width), warm light, and modularity, this mod is nothing but a positive move (in my opinion)

Hope this helps!:twothumbs

 

[Schuey2002]

Very cool mod! Thanks for sharing!

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I've got a MH60 Scout Light body and M75 mount on the way right now (it's amazing what you can find over on CPFM! )

For now, I plan on puting a McGizmo PR-T head and black clickie tailcap on it. Later on, I am going to swap it out for one of the new black SF KX2's heads. Then not only would I have a reasonably bright weaponlight with decent throw, but I'd also have the KX2's killer runtime to boot!

Or, maybe I'll get lucky and pick up a M60L, what with its 140L output and four hour runtime, and do something like you did to your Scout Light.. :devil:

 

[SIGconvert]

Calvin has been feeding my Surefire addiction for a while. What have you mounted your Scout on?

 

[FiftyCalAl]

M4s and Colt 6520 with FF forearm.

 

[SIGconvert]

Nice! Is that a LaRue CQT mount? I have a M951 with the clicky tailcap mounted a LaRue FF forend on a custom LMT carbine. I am going to get a Scout for the "MK-18" SBR that I should have after tax time.

 

[FiftyCalAl]

It is a LaRue. I started with the stock Loopy and then moved to the A.R.M.S. mount. I did not personally experience any problems with the ARMS metallurgy, when Mark developed the C/QT mount - it was a no-brainer for me to use LaRue.

Calvin/Kevin have been supplying me SF products since 2003. Brightflashlites is one of the most professional and helpful businesses in the tactical products business. THey are ALWAYS available to discuss options, and are brutally honest. Pricing is always the best.

 

[Toxic518]

Thanks for the info. After I purchased the SF Scout Light from you and installed it, I immediatly began looking for a way to improve it. Just so happened I ordered a Malkoff M60 at the same time and was really impressed with the beam pattern. I will be calling Calvin this week to order the required parts.

 

[FiftyCalAl]

ANybody tried the LaRue quick release mount for the SCOUT? I'd like to find one (cheap:naughty

 

[SIGconvert]

Are you talking about the 17S?

 

[FiftyCalAl]

Larue Tactical LT-172

 

[Hayseed_40]

I have the M600 with LU60 running a P60 bulb. Looking at the drop-ins but concerned with too much light inside (clearing rooms and such). Anybody experienced that? Should I stay with the 130 lumens area or is the Q5 200+ lumens not too bright for indoor use?

Also, does anybody know if the A19 will extend this set-up into a 9v?

 

[flash_bang]

well, I'm thinking for stuff like warehouses and stuff you can't have too much light (the M6 is just fine), but for residential places mirrors and white walls can be an issue. Mainly mirrors…but people use the M6 (500 lumens) for making a wall of light when entering rooms, so I don't think it should be too bright unless you're a vampire.

Also, if I remember correctly, the A19 only works on C series bodies, not E series, so you can use it on a 6P, C2, M2, M3 (disregarding voltages), but not on the E1E, E1L etc.

HAGO,
Flash

 

[FiftyCalAl]

well, I'm thinking for stuff like warehouses and stuff you can't have too much light (the M6 is just fine), but for residential places mirrors and white walls can be an issue. Mainly mirrors…but people use the M6 (500 lumens) for making a wall of light when entering rooms, so I don't think it should be too bright unless you're a vampire.

Also, if I remember correctly, the A19 only works on C series bodies, not E series, so you can use it on a 6P, C2, M2, M3 (disregarding voltages), but not on the E1E, E1L etc.

HAGO,
Flash

YEah, I have used the LU60 with Gene Malkoff's 240+lumen drop-in for entrys. It is not too bright, generally; one of the benefits is that it has such a wide throw i addition to the power, that it lights up the whole room entirely. It actually burns holes in the walls of trailers!:devil:


you just can't eat the Malkoff Q5 P60; I would not imagine you could get a wider throw with the distance factor as well. Brighter inside would be too bright: I think it is perfect for entry, but it also works great in a large area search or approach, like clearing barns and outside buildings and covering the distance. I am confident that once you see the dropin Malkoff in real use, you will never want anything else, regardless of any price.

 

[FiftyCalAl]

ANybody tried the LaRue quick release mount for the SCOUT? I'd like to find one (cheap:naughty

ANSWERING MY OWN QUERY:


I ordered the LaRue LT-172 SCOUT mount directly from Mark. Got a bunch of freebies in the order. I installed it and can report that it is just as awesome as any other LARUE TACTICAL product I used before. After adjusting the tension, I tested the sturdiness and feel it is rock solid. I will probably buy one each month until I get them on all my SCOUTS.

Oh, and btw, it was NOT cheap. I could not find used one for sale. But , I really didnt mind sending some profit to Mark; he does so many charitable gestures to further the shooting industry, especially providing quality stuff for .mil and LE, and is always willing to donate some things. His stuff is designed incredibly well, he makes a top-notch, no shortcuts products that withstand the abuse. He's a great guy with a great company; and you do get what you pay for. Plus he backs everything he makes 110%

 

[Hayseed_40]

Also, if I remember correctly, the A19 only works on C series bodies, not E series, so you can use it on a 6P, C2, M2, M3 (disregarding voltages), but not on the E1E, E1L etc.

HAGO,
Flash

The LU60 has the adapter piece in between the bezel and body. Would the extensin fit between the adapter and bezel? Are both those threads same as A19?

 

[flash_bang]

I don't think there's an adapter like that from C-C, much less E-E. I think a tailcap end extender is the only option, and even that is only made by custom machining shops (Think leef and people like him).

HAGO,
Flash

 

[Hayseed_40]

Thanks. I'll just stick to 6v.

Up north in the first post he calls it a P adapter so I thought maybe something that extends a P6 to P9 would work.

 

[glckshtr]

You can make the Scout even smaller with the standard 6P bezel. This one wears a BOG Q5 Cree @ 230 lumens.

 

[Hayseed_40]

Already have the LU60A in place. BUt that would be smaller. Any different on throw, flood, etc with the 6P bezel?

 

[glckshtr]

Already have the LU60A in place. BUt that would be smaller. Any different on throw, flood, etc with the 6P bezel?

The smaller 6P bezel sits farther back on the bulb than the shock isolated M2 bezel giving better flood. The throw is the same.

Sorry for the blurry pics.