The new "King of Throw" FINAL numbers

[f22shift]

Re: The new "King of Throw"

i wish i can do some outdoor beamshot/vid but it's hard to find an area with no light pollution with a good amt of distance.
i'm gonna have to search around.

 

[kengps]

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Lumapower posted a 650 Meter shot awhile back on their thread.

 

[mrartillery]

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Holy crap! Please tell me these will work on my VX Ultra? Also where and how much?

 

[red02]

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Also where and how much?

+1

Is there a 2-3xAA body or any extenders available? 2 amps might be tough, even for eneloops... 18650s might be nice.

 

[kengps]

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To answer questions.......It works with D-Mini VX Ultra, and -VX. The only difference is the pills. Works great with both my SST-50 and R2 pills. If you order a -VX or -VX Ultra, it comes with an 18650 tube also. Lumapower sold the Turbo-Force head for $37.50, but that ended June 6th. Regular price is $49.95 (incl shipping), but I think CPF discount will be 10% off (not 25% as before) A sales link will be posted anytime now at Lumapower's website. lumapower.com .....Lumapower has an 18500 tube and a "tactical" kit due out in next week or two that would be a good fit also. (not sure if the tube is sold seperate or part of the kit) It is going to be a sraight tailcap, 25.4mm tube, and a remote pressure switch. Lumapower will sell you an R2 pill for $24 IIRC to fit your VX ultra. I expect Batteryjunction will be selling the Turboforce head soon. They carry the Flashlights also. If you want to just add an R2 or SST-50 pill to your present D-mini, I've never seen them sell pills only, will have to order direct from Lumapower.

http://www.cpfmarketplace.com/mp/showpost.php?p=2503885&postcount=303

 

[turboBB]

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To add my 2 cents, the set up that I have that comes close to the throw this TF kit can do is NB's SST-50 (3S 2.5A) in a TLS TX3 head and the TF kit still just edges it out (slight apples to oranges comparo of course since the reflectors are not identical but you get the point).

Can't imagine how this thing would be like if Lumapower decided to do a special run of SST-50 pills running at 2.5A or higher for CPF...

 

[mrartillery]

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Great! Thanks I'll be looking for it, should make a neat addition to my "pocket light"

 

[MrGman]

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I was not able to find that brand of meter you mentioned anywhere? Is it old or something sold in Europe or Russia or something?

Also how is this head any better than the Dereelight DBS V3 head other than you can buy it separately (although it still can only be mounted to its own brand body series)? I would love to see a head to head comparison of this thing to a DBS V3 with either the XRE-R2 or XPG-R5 or something equivalent to the LEDs you have.

 

[kengps]

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I was not able to find that brand of meter you mentioned anywhere? Is it old or something sold in Europe or Russia or something?

Also how is this head any better than the Dereelight DBS V3 head other than you can buy it separately (although it still can only be mounted to its own brand body series)? I would love to see a head to head comparison of this thing to a DBS V3 with either the XRE-R2 or XPG-R5 or something equivalent to the LEDs you have.

My light meter is on a Mastec Multi-meter. I don't pay attention to the numbers, just relative numbers compensated by my own derived factors compared to CPF members with good meters.

It doesn't compare to the DBS in any way. It is 2.75 inches in diameter! the DBS is what 1.7" or so? It is a matter of shear reflector size that makes this light throw. It also out-throws the Tiablo A50 and A10 to back it up. I don't think a DBS comes close to a Tiablo A10 in throw. I have a DBS SST-50 reflector in house. I will be testing the two side-by-side. I'm getting about 35,000 lux on the Turboforce relector with a 2.1A SST-50. I have ran that same 2.1A pill with the DBS "Light OP" reflector and get 16,000 lux. So with the same exact 2.1A SST-50 pill you can see it is over twice the output of the DBS LOP reflector. IIRC I tested the new SST-50 SMO DBS against the LOP DBS and the difference was like 16,000 vs 18,000 so it's not gonna be even close to the Turboforce reflector.

OK...some quick shots. LEFT- a DBS, SST-50, SMO reflector, w/ Nailbender 2.8A driver. RIGHT- Lumapower Turboforce reflector, SST-50 w/ 2.1A driver. Obviously a huge advantage to the Nailbender at 750-800 OTE vs 550 OTE with the Lumapower.....

Now imagine a 2.8A driver for the Lumapower, giving a 40% boost in OTE for the Turboforce......


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[ever4ever]

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Thanks for the Beam Shots!

 

[turboBB]

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(Ken, hope you don't mind me adding my findings to your thread rather than starting a new one and by no means am I trying to hijack it).

So let's dispel some misunderstandings first. Obviously "throw" means something different to everyone.

In this case, if you are talkinga bout a super concentrated tiny hot spot, then by all means, both my DBS V2/3 w/original 3SD XR-E R2 and my Jetbeam RRT-1 will easily beat this in "throw".

However, if you're thinking in terms of relative otuput to similar setup, out of what I have, here is the ranking:

1) VX Ultra w/TF kit and stock SST-50 running @ 2.1A
2) TLS TX3 w/NB SST-50 running @ 2.5A
3) DBS V2/3 w/NB SST-50 running @ 2.5A

This thing simply rules, no doubt to the shear size of the reflector/head.

Cheers,
Tim

 

[kengps]

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In this case, if you are talkinga bout a super concentrated tiny hot spot, then by all means, both my DBS V2/3 w/original 3SD XR-E R2 and my Jetbeam RRT-1 will easily beat this in "throw".

Actually this head works with the D-Mini VX "R2" pill also, and produces a tiny concentrated hot spot. It throws as well as or better than the A10 which beats the RRT-1 handily (I own both)

I am however having some problems with the R2 pill, and cannot get it to center properly. The reflector is held into the bezel with a huge lock ring and I shifted the reflector somehow. Doesn't seem to affect the SST, but the R2 is looking pretty ratty on a white wall, and the A10 is beating it ever-so-slightly right this minute. It was much better when I took it out of the box. I ran the R2 first thing when I got it, and it could out-throw the A10 then.

 

[paulr]

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I gotta say I don't understand the restriction to lights with reflectors. The early LED lights all had optics, and the move to reflectors was to create nicer spill. But if it's throw that you're after, then the idea is to concentrate what would otherwise be the spill beam, and suppress the spill. You can do that with an enormous reflector or a relatively small optic. The optic approach seems perfectly valid and is used even in EDC lights like the Surefire E1B.

 

[kengps]

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I gotta say I don't understand the restriction to lights with reflectors. The early LED lights all had optics, and the move to reflectors was to create nicer spill. But if it's throw that you're after, then the idea is to concentrate what would otherwise be the spill beam, and suppress the spill. You can do that with an enormous reflector or a relatively small optic. The optic approach seems perfectly valid and is used even in EDC lights like the Surefire E1B.

It wasn't my intention to limit the Throw-kings to reflectors. It was Aspherics I was eliminating, not Optics. (I have fixed the original post) I have a Malkoff M60 still and love it. But it has great side-spill too. Aspherics are an entirely different animal, and so I carry another light when I am using an aspheric so I don't trip over things. There are no Optics I am aware of that are anywhere near being a Throw-king. I suppose there are Aspherics that can be de-focused for spill, but I am talking about lights you can use for spotting while able to walk at the same time. A focuseable Aspheric would not work for this either.

 

[mrartillery]

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Great beamshots, I'd like to see some at about 50-100 yards. :thumbsup:

 

[red02]

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It wasn't my intention to limit the Throw-kings to reflectors. It was Aspherics I was eliminating, not Optics. (I have fixed the original post) I have a Malkoff M60 still and love it. But it has great side-spill too. Aspherics are an entirely different animal, and so I carry another light when I am using an aspheric so I don't trip over things. There are no Optics I am aware of that are anywhere near being a Throw-king. I suppose there are Aspherics that can be de-focused for spill, but I am talking about lights you can use for spotting while able to walk at the same time. A focuseable Aspheric would not work for this either.

This seems like cherry picking; the best throw is the best throw, why impose a new requirement such as a spill beam? Throwers are not meant for everyday use anyway. If the goal is the -absolute- best throw (which is how I read "king of throw") in a flashlight, we should consider all options, not just reflectors/optics.

 

[turboBB]

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Actually this head works with the D-Mini VX "R2" pill also, and produces a tiny concentrated hot spot. It throws as well as or better than the A10 which beats the RRT-1 handily (I own both)

Yes, you're right, I should've clarified it was the SST-50 setup I was referring to. I'm in contact w/Ricky re: the R2 pills, can't wait to see how the concentrated hotspot will be.

 

[kengps]

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This seems like cherry picking; the best throw is the best throw, why impose a new requirement such as a spill beam? Throwers are not meant for everyday use anyway. If the goal is the -absolute- best throw (which is how I read "king of throw") in a flashlight, we should consider all options, not just reflectors/optics.

Actually throwers are for everyday use. Aspherics are not. You need a second light for an Aspheric. Unless you like to trip over things anyway.

 

[red02]

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Actually throwers are for everyday use. Aspherics are not. You need a second light for an Aspheric. Unless you like to trip over things anyway.

You are correct, an aspheric has less real world uses than a light using a reflector.

This however does not address the core of my argument, if reflectors and optics are considered we should not discard aspherics. That is if our objective is to determine which light throws the best. My contention is that a spill beam adds little if anything to a throwing competition, and should not be considered as a determining factor by which lights are judged or discarded. Aspherics ought to be fair game.

 

[paulr]

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Actually throwers are for everyday use. Aspherics are not. You need a second light for an Aspheric. Unless you like to trip over things anyway.

I don't see throwers as being for everyday use either. I've been wanting to acquire a thrower but it would be used to supplement a general purpose light. For everyday use I'm much more likely to want a flood beam.