DIY for 4x P4 + 3x 17670 LiIon + MaxFlex + 1xD build ...

wquiles

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I just finished building a custom light for an overseas forum member, and I wanted to share how I built it. It is my first multi emiter build, but I think it came out all right ;)

Instead of starting with the beginning like I always do, this time I am starting with the end. This is the completed light - it is a custom tri-bored host, with custom grooved and fluted head, with a custom SS bezel, 4x P4 emiters, Al heatsink from the Shoppe, 4x 20mm reflectors from the Shoppe, ultra clear glass, MaxFlex boost converter, FM custom 3x 17670 LiIon battery holder, and custom body ring on tailcap:
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and at about 1 Amp or so, it is "bright", and the head does get hot/toasty (this is a little over-exposed, but gives you the idea of how nice the beam is):
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OK, so here is the journey ... please note that this is not the only way to make/put this together, and I welcome all ideas/suggestions/tips on this thread :twothumbs


First, given the universal heatsink, there are no locating points for the actual emiters:
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Luckily, the reflectors touch each other while in position, and they also lightly touch the scalloped cuts in the heatsink. Also, the reflectors don't touch the emiters, but rest on the scallops, while being kept in place (no rattles) by the glass (more on this later on). So basically, I used the mechanical alignment of the reflectors to line up the emiters.

Of course, since the P4's have to isolated from the heatsink and since they will move/flow while the two-part thermal epoxy sets, how do I align the individual emiters once the reflectors are aligned? Drill holes on a spare plastic lens:
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then, using a soft plastic tip, gently align each emiter through the reflector (tip learned here in the forums by no other than McGizmo himself - thanks Don!):
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Once aligned, proceed to serially solder all LED's (the MaxFlex is a boost driver, so I am using it to drive 4 LED's in series, with a battery source of a lower voltage, in this case 3x LiIon cells). I am using a piece of tape to help hold each wire while I solder it:
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then test to make sure it works:
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I then added two-part clear epoxy to all emiters/wires to make sure nothing moves/comes loose, even if accidentally dropped:
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I then move to my lathe, and cut the switch flush on both sides, to remove the tower and to allow better electrical contact with flat cells (thanks Mac for the tip on using the lathe for this!):
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To provide a heatsink path to the MaxFlex, I used the lathe again to fabricate a small Al cylinder to transfer heat from the MaxFlex to the heatsink:
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Here I already soldered the LED wired to the MaxFlex driver, and you can see the small cylinder here already glued to the inside of the heatsink (two-part thermal epoxy again), while I am testing the driver with a bench power supply:
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I then applied two-part thermal epoxy between the cylinder and the driver, and used two-part clear epoxy to fix the driver to the heatsink. An observant person will also note the "excess" clear epoxy around the wires - that is on purpose - I will explain further below why:
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I then moved to work on the switch. The OEM switch has to be converted to a momentary only switch, in order to be used with the MaxFlex driver (and most drivers from TaskLED www.taskled.com). I have already done a detailed photo-by-photo DIY on the switch mod, so I am only showing some highlights this time:
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I used a small file to remove burs/sharp edges on the factory spring:
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I then test the switch:
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and epoxy the wires to the body of the switch - why? It is coming up ...
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install the switch:
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Now we finish with the head (since the body and switch are ready). First we apply a thin coat of thermal paste to all heatsink surfaces that will touch the body:
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we then "carefully" screw the heatsink into the head, and then wipe/clean up any excess thermal paste (we want the new user to have a neat/clean light, don't we?):
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Now comes the fun part. Remember when I said above that the reflectors are held in place by friction between themselves, the glass, and the cuts in the heatsink, well, it is not 100% perfect. It is about 98% perfect. What this means is that even though I centered each emiter perfectly, now during re-assembly the reflectors moved "slightly" off center - the good thing is that the beam is still perfect and you can't tell. The second photo was taken at an angle, so all look off-center, but when looking straight down it looks awesome due to the ultra clear glass:
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OK, so now to why I had epoxied the wires on both the switch and the driver/heatsink. Simply because this type of heatsink requires that you twist the wires every time you screw the head in or out - in other words, just putting the light together puts stress on the wires!. Here are the 3 wires soldered (not taped yet), to show the dilemma:
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So I used Kapton tape to protect the soldered joint:
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and when screwing the head back in, I first go the opposite direction for a couple of turns to wind the wires in the opposite direction, so that when I finally screw the head back in I have fewer turns inside the body, therefore reducing stress on the wires. As you can tell by now, the epoxy simply provides additional insurance from the wires coming apart ;)


And then of course, I tested the complete assembly:
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And one more time, that very nice, even beam on the highest level:
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I hope this was helpful :)

Will
 
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Re: DIY for 4x P4 + 3x 16760 LiIon + MaxFlex + 1xD build ...

Now that's what I call a thread with pics! Nice job on the mod.:thumbsup::thumbsup:
 
Re: DIY for 4x P4 + 3x 16760 LiIon + MaxFlex + 1xD build ...

wquiles,

Wonderful job; very professional. :twothumbs I like your use of clear epoxy to secure wires. I built a quad TFFC K2 (0200) 2C mag using the MaxFlex and two AW C-cell li-ion cells. I may have to open it back up and add clear epoxy. I like how you soldered the separated power and switch wires before the MaxFlex also. I may have to try one of those high current spade connectors used in RC models.

I did the "pre-twist" technique on an older 2D mag before screwing on the head, but it is sort of a pain because I feared that I would break wires between the circuit and the LEDs causing failure in the Fatman driver that I used (The Fatman was not attached to the heatsink to make room for a twisty-dimming feature). On my 2C Mag (alot like yours in construction), I screwed on the head onto the flashlight up to a point, then slightly pre-twisted the wires so I could screw in the heatsink afterward (requires farr less pre-twists, or none at all). After I tightened the heatsink into the head, I then locked everything by twisting the head on tight (onto the body) to keep anything from moving. Everything locked because the multi-LED heatsink pressed up against the end of the body tube -prohibiting anything from rotating.

I seen others use the small aluminum cylinder to transfer heat before, but not before I built mine. I used a bent piece of copper instead ("C" shaped - [ ). I wish I can remove it, but I used epoxy to fix it. With the copper pad, the MaxFlex does get very warm still. If I would run everything at full power for 5 min, it will automatically drop the level down due to overheating. I would program a higher temperature, but I shouldn't need more than 5 min of 800+ lumens. It may also be good in case someone else borrows my light.

Finally, I like the use of the plastic lens holes to adjust the emitters. However, it is difficult to get the emitters perfectly centered, even if you draw a very nice set of measured lines on the heatsink first. The reflectors move around too much when you tighten the bezel. I actually had to file flat spots on my IMS SO20A reflectors where they would touch each other because they were not exactly 20mm in diameter after I put the emitters 20mm apart from their center. Oh well.

I am glad you have a good system down when making these. I built my light for myself (selfishly), so I made the light kind of lazily and not-so-permanently so it could be parted out or totally upgraded later. When I build others' lights, I will have to use epoxy on wires and other durable securing methods. Thanks for the tips and ideas. Again, wonderful craftsmanship! :thumbsup:

Its documented modification breakdowns like this one, along with tutorials, that make me want to yell out to the world lovecpf (<-That one is a new one to me).

-Tony
 
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Re: DIY for 4x P4 + 3x 16760 LiIon + MaxFlex + 1xD build ...

What I did to fix the wire twisting problem is to use a small JST connector. Use enough wire to extend out the switch hole. Install the heatsink in the head, screw on the head, pull the wires out the switch hole, NOW drop in the switch with the other end of the connector, pull it out the switch hole, connect and push it in, set your switch. No twisting wires.

I can't fix the twisting reflector problem, my lens grabbed mine, the only thing I could do is to lube the o-ring, hold the lens stationary with wad of backward tape, and carefully screw the bezel. Luckily I used Crees and the reflectors can't float on them.

I skipped the Kapton tape, I found some really nice 1/8" black heat-shrink at Radio Shack.

Nice Clean Work Will, I working on collecting a few parts for a couple more builds when you get some machining free time, and I rob the bank :laughing:
 
Re: DIY for 4x P4 + 3x 16760 LiIon + MaxFlex + 1xD build ...

Great and wonderful mod.
Thank you for sharing the ideal of using the plastic lens holes to adjust the emitters.
 
Re: DIY for 4x P4 + 3x 16760 LiIon + MaxFlex + 1xD build ...

Wowww ...
You have done a great job Will, it looks better than I thought
I cant wait until I get it back :thumbsup:

Many Thanks

Wai
 
Re: DIY for 4x P4 + 3x 16760 LiIon + MaxFlex + 1xD build ...

Nice job.
The problem about the lens twisting/moving the reflector off could be solved by holding the head firmly in a vice with the rear resting flat on sturdy block.
After lubricating the o ring with silicone grease apply reasonable pressure vertically on the glass lens using a flat round rod or something with a sticky clean surface so as not to damage the glass while compressing the o ring. Keeping that pressure constant begin tightening the bezel as much as necessary, only then loosen the pressure on the glass lens. That's it.
 
Re: DIY for 4x P4 + 3x 16760 LiIon + MaxFlex + 1xD build ...

:confused: Are the 3x 16760 some new cells we don't know about, or did your fingers mix up the 6s and 7s => 17670 :confused:
 
Thanks for the feedback - inserting the head first and then soldering and screwing the heatsink/driver is definitely a good alternative which would have less stree on the wires, of course this will only work if no-one else decides to unscrew the head later on :ohgeez: :shakehead

Aircraft800 - I fixed the tittle - it was just fat fingers + being a little bit sleepy :eek:

Will
 
Will,

Did you ever see the locking head trick by the late 3rd_shift? You drill and countersink a #30 hole in the head/body on the inside and push in a 1/8" rivet. It can be easily removed with your fingernail, and is held in place by your heatsink. No more twisted wires from amateurs. :)

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Will,

Did you ever see the locking head trick by the late 3rd_shift? You drill and countersink a #30 hole in the head/body on the inside and push in a 1/8" rivet. It can be easily removed with your fingernail, and is held in place by your heatsink. No more twisted wires from amateurs. :)

No, I did not know about the trick, but that is simply brilliant (no pun intended). 3rd_shift definitely knew a thing or two about lights - thanks for sharing this great tip :thumbsup:

Will
 
Wowww


Will, received my light today :goodjob:
The Mag turn out even better than I thought :D
Now I am waiting for the parts so that I can build a
quad Cree Mag C :devil:

Many Thanks Will ..... Sterling build

 
Thanks for all the pictures and descriptions.

Even though I can't do anything like that myself, by your pictures I am vicariously modding. :thumbsup:
 
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