The new "King of Throw" FINAL numbers

EDIT- OK enough whining already, "King of throw for walking lights" OK? SR90 does not qualify, neither does an Aspheric....

I have done a lot of testing last few days, both with my cheap light meter, and confirming the numbers side-by-side, one at a time outdoors on my test range. I used a compensation factor based on some of the good light meters on CPF, namely MrGman, BigC etc. The numbers I used were the A10 (measured at 50,300) and BigC's Masterpiece Pro1 number (48,675). My light meter showed the exact same ratio between those two measurements. Here they are:

Lumapower Turbo-Force head, Stock R2 pill, 1.2 Amps 57,700 Lux
Masterpiece Pro 1, R2 pill, 1.4 Amps modded, UCL lens 52,235
Tiablo A10, R2 using 2 16340's, Stock 50,300
Masterpiece Pro 1, R2 pill, stock driver, stock glass 48,675
Tiablo A9, R2, 1.4 Amp Modded, UCL lens 39,000
Jet-Beam RRT-1, R2, .95 Amps Stock 34,900
Tiablo A9 Q5, using 2 16340's, Stock 24,925
Dereelight SST reflector SMO w/ Thrunite R5 1.5A 24,400

Note: My MP-P1 is modded to use 1 18650 cell. There was no improvement (less than 1%) with the driver change. The improvement you see is strictly a 7% gain with a UCL lens. The A10 would benefit too, but it requires machine work to the reflector to install one. I modded my A50 for UCL, and tested the A10 with it and got 54,300 lux. Can't screw the bezel down all the way though.

Here's something interesting....My stock Tiablo A9 Q5 Aspheric does 59,600. Side-by-side with the LP I cannot tell any difference in throw. My modded Tiablo Aspheric (R2,1.4A) trounces it without any argument. I get 95,100 with it.

I've been getting at least a 7-8% improvements when I switch to a UCL lens. I would estimate about 63,000 lux with the Lumapower Turbo-force. None made to fit though. Yet.....


I'm not going to offer any numbers for an SST-50, as I don't have good control for my meter. But I can tell you it appears to throw exactly halfway between the Tiablo A9 (24,925) and the DBS R2 (33,555). So I would guess about 28,000-29,000 lux. Thats with the 2.1 Amp SST-50 pill. (550 OTE)

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We will need some beamshots.

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Here's some with SST-50. It is even better with R2 pill.

http://www.cpfmarketplace.com/mp/showpost.php?p=2503854&postcount=301

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kengps said:

Sorry SR90 (or any other light with a shoulder strap) doesn't fit in this category. Among pocketable lights.... I own Tiablo A10, A50, and Solarforce MP Pro1, with a 1.4A driver and UCL. They are all beaten with both R-2 and SST-50 pills installed in the new Lumapower D-Mini VX Turboforce head. It is an odd looking duck, with a 2.7" diameter head on a tiny flashlight body. With 16340 tube it is 5.2" long. Only twice the length of the head Diameter. But wow does it throw.

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Ummm,, so that fits in your pocket????

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The beauty of cargo pants!

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or coat pocket...I like it!

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A coat pocket, yes.

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kengps, where is the head (unmodded of course) available?


Karl

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You have to order from Lumapower. I would think Batteryjunction just got their shipment in the same time as me. LP had a special for CPF until June 6 of $37.50. IIRC $50 is standard price. Not sure what the discount is now...maybe 10% ??

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Here's a comparison with other reflectors somebody posted on CPFMP




Standard, Tele-Force, Turboforce 16340, Turboforce 18650.

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whats the peak lux with the R2 pill and what are you getting with your Tiablo A10 on the same meter? The Tiablo A10 has been reviewed as having over 45K lux at 1 meter, need to see your direct comparison readings of the 2.

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The SR90 has been measured to be about 115,000 lux at one meter by several independent sources.

saabluster's new High Output DEFT has been measured at about 180,000 lux by him for one his prototypes.

So there is still some way to go yet. :nana:

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MrGman said:

whats the peak lux with the R2 pill and what are you getting with your Tiablo A10 on the same meter? The Tiablo A10 has been reviewed as having over 45K lux at 1 meter, need to see your direct comparison readings of the 2.

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I get 72,000 with the A10 and 81,000 with the R2 Turboforce. Tints throw off my meter but the LP and the A10 look to be about the same tint. I seen a Lux reading somewhere with a good tester who got 50,300 IIRC. That should put the Turboforce head at 56,500 or so.

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easilyled said:

The SR90 has been measured to be about 115,000 lux at one meter by several independent sources.

saabluster's new High Output DEFT has been measured at about 180,000 lux by him for one his prototypes.

So there is still some way to go yet. :nana:

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I said in the beginning that lights with shoulder slings don't count. Guess I should add "Reflector" too. My Tiablo A9 mod gets about 95,000 which beats it as well.

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Can you measure lux at 5m. this will give us a better idea about the real throw.

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kengps said:

I said in the beginning that lights with shoulder slings don't count.

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I don't use any shoulder slings for my SR90.

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red02 said:

Can you measure lux at 5m. this will give us a better idea about the real throw.

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I measured 810 at 10M. It was a quick number though. My meter seems to be what everybody else gets with SST-50's, but it reads quite high with R2's.

I did do an outdoor test, and it was clearly the winner over the A10. It beat my Solarforce MP Pro 1 also which beats the A10. (It is modded with 1.4A pill, and UCL) The Tiablo glass is not good. I get 9-10% higher reads with UCL on the A50 and A10. Problem with Tiablo is the glass is an odd thickness. I had to turn the lip of the reflector down to fit a UCL to the A50. My measurements of the Lumapower glass on the VX Ultra are down over 10% glass vs no glass. I haven't checked the TurboForce glass, but I'm guessing it's the same. Gonna contact flashlightlens to see what they want for a custom size run for Lumapower.

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easilyled said:

I don't use any shoulder slings for my SR90.

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They are available if you should need it. The light has the mount points for one.

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so what is the make and model of the lux meter you are using? Those readings you gave for the A10 and the turbonium head, are those exactly at 1 meter distance?

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It is a Mastec MS 8229, and I did measurements at 10 Meters.

Sorry, can't help posting more Pics. I love this light. Found an old Tiablo A9 ring. Makes it sit tight in the hand. Got some empty pills coming from Lumapower. This is going to be a real monster with a 2.8A driver feeding a Cree XM. Maybe 1000+ OTE, which is twice what it makes now. Could see 50,000 plus Lux with a big fat hot-spot like an SST-50? From a light you can cover with your hand no less.