Arc6 auctions: first set of 10
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Frenchyled
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I would have prefer to buy one directly from ArcFlashlight
So, I could trade one Surefire Titan for one of these 10 ARC6, if you're interested just let me know by PM.
So, I could trade one Surefire Titan for one of these 10 ARC6, if you're interested just let me know by PM.
Bye again Groundhog66... wanna go for a permanent ban?
yaesumofo
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It seems silly to me to have all those auctions end at the same moment. This doesn't give an unsuccessful bidder an opportunity to try to bid on another light. Once again this shows a lack of foresight in this plan.
Why not stagger the auctions so that more people will have a real chance to get a light.
Say for example I want number 69 and I bit $400.00 for it but somebody else wants that number and is willing to pay $450.00 for it. OK that's fine. But it is now impossible for me to bid on a second light since the auctions are all over at the same time. OK so instead I bid on multiple lights at the same time so I can be sure to Winn the bid on at least one. What if I am the bidding winner for more than one? I might be stuck with multiple lights.
Anyway you look at it this all auctions ending at the same time really makes the whole situation much more difficult for the average ordinary guy who wants one of these lights.
Peter I suggest that you either RESTART these auctions and shorten the length and stagger the end times or on the next batch stagger them so that more bidders will have an opportunity to get a light should they loose the bidding on the light they are bidding on. BTW I recomend a staggering of somthing like an hour at the very least 15 minutes. one or two minutes is really not enough time.
Yaesumofo
Why not stagger the auctions so that more people will have a real chance to get a light.
Say for example I want number 69 and I bit $400.00 for it but somebody else wants that number and is willing to pay $450.00 for it. OK that's fine. But it is now impossible for me to bid on a second light since the auctions are all over at the same time. OK so instead I bid on multiple lights at the same time so I can be sure to Winn the bid on at least one. What if I am the bidding winner for more than one? I might be stuck with multiple lights.
Anyway you look at it this all auctions ending at the same time really makes the whole situation much more difficult for the average ordinary guy who wants one of these lights.
Peter I suggest that you either RESTART these auctions and shorten the length and stagger the end times or on the next batch stagger them so that more bidders will have an opportunity to get a light should they loose the bidding on the light they are bidding on. BTW I recomend a staggering of somthing like an hour at the very least 15 minutes. one or two minutes is really not enough time.
Yaesumofo
kenster
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I think it is great the way it is. The games have begun and I have a week to enjoy watching folks talk & talk about it and learn. :tinfoil: Anyway, I hope I end up with a light??? :candle:
I bet I will!!! 
I hope I end up with a light??? :candle: I bet I will!!!
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yaesumofo
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Re: Arc6 auctions: first set of 10
It seems silly to me to have all those auctions end at the same moment. This doesn't give an unsuccessful bidder an opportunity to try to bid on another light. Once again this shows a lack of foresight in this plan.
Why not stagger the auctions so that more people will have a real chance to get a light.
Say for example I want number 69 and I bit $400.00 for it but somebody else wants that number and is willing to pay $450.00 for it. OK that's fine. But it is now impossible for me to bid on a second light since the auctions are all over at the same time. OK so instead I bid on multiple lights at the same time so I can be sure to Winn the bid on at least one. What if I am the bidding winner for more than one? I might be stuck with multiple lights.
Anyway you look at it this all auctions ending at the same time really makes the whole situation much more difficult for the average ordinary guy who wants one of these lights.
Peter I suggest that you either RESTART these auctions and shorten the length and stagger the end times or on the next batch stagger them so that more bidders will have an opportunity to get a light should they loose the bidding on the light they are bidding on. BTW I recomend a staggering of somthing like an hour at the very least 15 minutes. one or two minutes is really not enough time.
Yaesumofo
Hi Yaesumofo!
i think you are right. i did not see yet that the auctions end up at the same time. thats not fine...on the other side you mst decide, which one
you will buy or not. but i think the prices will go high...to high for me
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HoopleHead
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to everyone bidding up the price right now, way before the auction ends... learn how to snipe on eBay you n00bs!
p.s. im bidding for sure!
p.s. im bidding for sure!
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Note that this is only the first 10. Perhaps these suggestions will be used when the next auctions are set.
Are you calling the people that won't be around in the auction end, n00bs?? That comment is out of line...:thumbsdow
To me the Arc has lost its soul, what made it an Arc. The light looks like a McGizmo creation and not an Arc, not that their is anything wrong with the quality and look of a Gizmo light, it's just not an Arc anymore.
Good luck with your sales.
Ehh? Don has always been just about the foremost designer on CPF, so I see his involvement in the Arc6 project as a great thing. And if you're going to look at it that way, you might also consider HDS's involvement in the Arc4+ (which was to some extent a repackaged HDS Action Light), or even remember that the Arc AAA is basically a scaled-down CMG Infinity. Arc's strength has always involved building on what had been done before.
The idea of selling the initial Arc6's on Ebay was discussed extensively on the "new LS" thread before Peter went ahead with it, so it shouldn't come as a shock to anyone who followed that thread. Yes there were a few vehement opponents like Groundhog66 but they seemed to me to be a vocal minority. My own view was that I wasn't going to bid on ebay myself but I was ok with the initial units being sold that way (I'd just wait for regular units to be available the normal way if I were to buy one at all).
I'm somewhat sympathetic to the reasoning behind the auction. Basically it's an attempt to thwart the practice of buyers scooping up scarce new lights in order to flip them for a profit, by letting ebay set the initial price at equlibrium and send the extra profit to the actual lightmaker instead of to some opportunistic middleman. Some other makers including Mr. Bulk in CPF's old days and Peter Atwood in the knife/tool world, have used alternate anti-flipping methods such as cutting off known flippers from future sales, but that doesn't work so well for a maker like Arc which normally does larger production runs in which there's no scarcity to cut people off from. In the Arc6 case I think the scarcity effect may not be so large as to make the ebay nonsense worth it, but the idea is fundamentally reasonable. On a larger scale there was likewise some gnashing and wailing on Wall Street when Google did something similar with its IPO, but their stock has done just fine since then.
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This is an unfortunate turn of events. I was holding out hope that these lights would have been sold on the Arc website.
I was holding out hope that these lights would have been sold on the Arc website.I am a newbie in the grand history of CPF but I would hope that Peter recognises his contribution to CPF and in turn the contribution CPF has made to his lights, to him and his finances.
At the very least I would expect that CPF users are given the respect of openess and transparancy with regard to what Peter knows about the future of these lights rather than the cryptic clues given thus far.
I cannot agree with selling beta lights without any disclaimer, am disatisfied with poor and sometimes misleading communications but respect the choice of the company to sell the light in any way that they think best.
To us CPFers this is just a light, take it or leave it, to Arc this is the future, or not, of their business. A company clearly needs to take care of it's reputation and when they are careless with such an important aspect of business you have to ask how much futher the carelessness extends, in my opinion.
I respectfully ask for some openess about the future plans for production, support and warranty on these lights, otherwise in this position uncertainty I will assume the worst.
I am out, and will never own another Arc light unless Peter and Arc can go above and beyond to address these concerns and the numerous concerns expressed by others.
At the very least I would expect that CPF users are given the respect of openess and transparancy with regard to what Peter knows about the future of these lights rather than the cryptic clues given thus far.
I cannot agree with selling beta lights without any disclaimer, am disatisfied with poor and sometimes misleading communications but respect the choice of the company to sell the light in any way that they think best.
To us CPFers this is just a light, take it or leave it, to Arc this is the future, or not, of their business. A company clearly needs to take care of it's reputation and when they are careless with such an important aspect of business you have to ask how much futher the carelessness extends, in my opinion.
I respectfully ask for some openess about the future plans for production, support and warranty on these lights, otherwise in this position uncertainty I will assume the worst.
I am out, and will never own another Arc light unless Peter and Arc can go above and beyond to address these concerns and the numerous concerns expressed by others.
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Name-calling aside, the auctions do end on a Sat. night. I doubt that all of these bidders will be away from an internet connection then.
I have no intention of buying an Arc6, on eBay or otherwise, but I do occasionally get frustrated by the inflationary effect of early bidding in auctions like these. I feel bad for those of you who are really jonesing for this light.
What inflationary effect?? Isn't that the whole point of an auction, keep raising the price until the high bid wins? Or engage in a bid war at the last seconds and cut your chances of winning the thing? Don't get me wrong , bid sniping works, but in cases like this, specially now that the closing times are so short apart , I prefer bidding what I think its worth now, and not worry about having to be in front of the computer in the closing seconds... I'm sorry if the snipers game is been thwarted by the evil early bidders, but its all fair game...:nana: But that is my opinion and I could be wrong..:wave:
Well the plan as originally announced was to auction a total of 100 lights, so if you bid on one of the first batch of 10 and don't win, then wait for the next batch; and if you don't get one from any of the batches, then get one from the Arc web site after the 100 auctions have finished. Whether this plan will actually run to completion doesn't look so good right now, of course.
As for your other questions (and Cuso's) I think you are basically asking things that nobody including Peter knows the answers to. There will always be uncertainty in the world and even fully formed plans don't always go through as intended. It's best to just take the uncertainty into account when choosing your own plans, and be ready to respond adaptively to events as they occur. I think the basic intentions have been stated: these are production lights, they will be warrantied, the first 100 will be auctioned and the later ones will be sold on Arc's web site. Knowing more specifics with certainty (including whether the intentions will be matched by reality) probably requires a crystal ball that doesn't exist.
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I guess I'm a little confused. The ebay listings say, "Only 50 of these are made. All are being sold by auction." Peter's first post in this thread implies that 100 were made but some were scrapped due to QC issues. So.... does that mean that half of those produced got scrapped because they were substandard?!?!? :thinking::shrug::candle:
Why do the auctions say there are only 50 of these made? What am I missing here??? 
yaesumofo
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Peter has said that he is getting a 50% failure rate in his initial (hand built by him with selected components) production.
Seems like a very high failure rate to me. he said he would auction off the first 100 lights produced ....which pass qc..
The whole thing seems a little OFF to me.
Yaesumofo
Seems like a very high failure rate to me. he said he would auction off the first 100 lights produced ....which pass qc..
The whole thing seems a little OFF to me.
Yaesumofo
I guess I'm a little confused. The eBay listings say, "Only 50 of these are made. All are being sold by auction."Peter's first post in this thread implies that 100 were made but some were scrapped due to QC issues. So.... does that mean that half of those produced got scrapped because they were substandard?!?!? :thinking::shrug::candle:
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